{"id":2388,"date":"2011-11-10T11:10:28","date_gmt":"2011-11-10T11:10:28","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/cherscholar.com\/cherblog\/joan-rivers-cher-and-billy-sammeth\/"},"modified":"2023-02-20T08:29:50","modified_gmt":"2023-02-20T15:29:50","slug":"joan-rivers-cher-and-billy-sammeth","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/cherscholar.com\/cherblog\/2011\/11\/joan-rivers-cher-and-billy-sammeth\/","title":{"rendered":"Joan Rivers, Cher and Billy Sammeth"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/cherscholar.typepad.com\/.a\/6a00d8341d6c7753ef015392f22092970b-popup\" onclick=\"window.open( this.href, &#39;_blank&#39;, &#39;width=640,height=480,scrollbars=no,resizable=no,toolbar=no,directories=no,location=no,menubar=no,status=no,left=0,top=0&#39; ); return false\" style=\"float: left;\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"JoanREV_FINAL\" class=\"asset  asset-image at-xid-6a00d8341d6c7753ef015392f22092970b\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/cherscholar.com\/cherblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/6a00d8341d6c7753ef015392f22092970b-200wi.jpg?w=676&#038;ssl=1\" style=\"width: 200px; margin: 0px 5px 5px 0px;\" title=\"JoanREV_FINAL\" \/><\/a>So&#8230;this piece of drama&#0160;all went down last year but I just recently saw the documentary <em>Joan Rivers: A Piece of Work<\/em>&#0160;on HBO last weekend\u2026so it\u2019s all fresh to me. This is a sad little documentary about show business and aging and&#0160;workaholism. Yes, showbiz may love the young; but sometimes I wonder if it just isn&#39;t obsessed with the new (you can be old&#8230;as long as you&#39;re new)\u2026which makes it tough for any legend such as Cher or Joan Rivers.&#0160;<\/p>\n<p>Rivers has a wall-sized filing system for all the jokes she&#39;s ever written, categorized by topic. This type of professionalism and organization impressed me. Anyway, Rivers had been working&#0160;with Bill (of the&#0160;<em>Take Me Home <\/em>liner note&#39;s&#0160;&quot;Billy, I love you Billy!&quot;) Sammeth as her manager since before her husband Edgar died (and maybe even far longer). Rivers seemed highly attached to him because he was her only&#0160;collegue who could&#0160;remembered her &quot;old days.&quot; He was one of the few witnesses to her history.&#0160;All through the documentary she has trouble reaching&#0160;Sammeth and, in one tear-filled scene, she decides to let him go.<\/p>\n<p>This was all fascinating to watch because I remembered Cher firing&#0160;her long-time manager Sammeth in the&#0160;late 90s and I wondered why.&#0160;Was he fired for similar reasons? It turns out, he was.<\/p>\n<p>After Sammeth was fired by Rivers, he sued her: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thaindian.com\/newsportal\/entertainment\/joan-rivers-sued-by-ex-manager_100385990.html\">http:\/\/www.thaindian.com\/newsportal\/entertainment\/joan-rivers-sued-by-ex-manager_100385990.html<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Turns out when Cher fired him, he sued her too:&#0160;<br \/><a href=\"http:\/\/www.people.com\/people\/article\/0,,615521,00.html\">http:\/\/www.people.com\/people\/article\/0,,615521,00.html<\/a><\/p>\n<p>This article compares the two incidents: <br \/><a href=\"http:\/\/www.thedailybeast.com\/articles\/2010\/06\/25\/billy-sammeth-and-his-lawsuit-against-joan-rivers.html\">http:\/\/www.thedailybeast.com\/articles\/2010\/06\/25\/billy-sammeth-and-his-lawsuit-against-joan-rivers.html<\/a><\/p>\n<p>And predictably Sammeth was apparently upset about the way he was depicted in the Rivers documentary. Excerpts:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><em>Still, several friends of Rivers\u2019 say privately that Sammeth\u2019s disappearances were something she complained about over the years. They also point out that she didn\u2019t edit the film, and therefore isn\u2019t responsible for how he comes off in it. \u201cShe had no approval of anything,\u201d says one friend. \u201cShe did not have final cut. It was a movie about her\u2014it was not \u2018her movie.\u2019\u201d (Efforts to reach the film\u2019s directors, Ricki Stern and Annie Sundberg, were unsuccessful.)<\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><em>Sammeth and his lawyer, meanwhile, caution against reading too much into an old lawsuit filed by Sammeth\u2019s other big client, Cher, in which she too accused the manager of not being attentive enough to her needs.<\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><em>In it, counsel for Cher describes how Sammeth, \u201cunhappy\u201d with life in Los Angeles, relocated to Northern California in the mid-&#39;90s and \u201cattempted to continue the relationship from his home via cellular telephone. 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Sammeth thinks the root of the drama between them comes from Cher\u2019s upbringing. \u201cHer mother was married eight times, and twice to the same guy,\u201d he points out.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>[Cher is legendary for firing people? Wha??&#0160;Doesn\u2019t Cher maintain some impressive&#0160;long-term professional&#0160;relationships? Like her costume designer Bob Mackie, her wig-maker Renate Leuschner, her personal assistant&#0160;Deborah Paull,&#0160;her choreographer&#0160;Doriana Sanchez, Billy himself who started working with her in the late 70s? I can\u2019t remember the last news story about a Cher firing. In fact when she fired Billy, it seems significant. And what does Cher\u2019s mom\u2019s marital tendencies have to do with anything???]<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><em>\u201cWhatever happened between him and Cher, it was settled amicably,\u201d Lask says. \u201cIn this business, people get hired and fired all the time. 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