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Memoir vs. Memoir Part 3: the 1970s

I just need to say this again: if you had told me when I was six or seven or eight years old that one day I’d be reading Sonny’s memoir alongside Cher’s memoir, each discussing their days as Sonny & Cher, I would have fainted across my Raggedy Ann bedspread. It was inconceivable to me that such an amazing thing would happen someday in this world. That’s how much I loved Sonny & Cher.

I now think either Cher eventually read Sonny’s book or one of her ghostwriters did because their opinions, even minor ones, seem so point-to-point.  And why would they not read everything, just for research. I guess it could be an amazing coincidence, like Sonny’s image of Sonny and Cher connected to the same umbilical cord.

Anyway I’ll try not to replicate Cher’s book here because you should go out and buy it. The paperback is out now with an additional story. But let’s continue…

If you want to go back:

The Nightclubs

So Sonny admits it was Joe DeCarlo’s idea to try out nightclubs. This is big. Cher and the world usually give that idea to Sonny. Sonny calls the period a “bumpy road personally.” Cher says they actually got back on track as a family during this period. And Cher calls it Supper Theater. The Supper Club circuit. Places like the Flamingo in Las Vegas and the circuit of hotel and casino dinner theaters.

Cher remembers she was “relieved to be working” and they traveled with Chas in a wicker crib and their nanny Heidi, “the sweetest woman in the world.” Chastity’s first two years were on the road and her first milestones all in motels and hotels. Cher says Chas was our early entertainment and “such a gift.” The band and hotel staff held her all the time and her “feet never touched the ground. Cher says, “she was the sole focus of our long road back to who we once were. “ Even though they had no money or house and had hotplate meals, the three of them hung out together and “no matter the circumstances, Sonny could always make me laugh.” Cher is unequivocable: “struggling again helped revitalize our relationship…being poor narrowed our focus—how to best spend our time, made us feel three of us against the world.” (This is the “backs against the wall” era.) Cher says Sonny was a big kid, very creative, and she could happily watch him play with Chas for hours.

“Our world consisted of the three of us.” This sounds very happy but Sonny portrays it all unhappy and remembered only the struggle.

He says, they “struggled to find chemistry off stage” and he says he took some of the act’s barbs personally. He does start to worry he is being too bossy and that he lives too much in fantasy land. He admits he was “obsessed” with Cher’s “steamy love scene” with Steve Whitaker in the Chastity movie. He worried that his jealousy meant they didn’t “get it on film.”

Later in the book Sonny will claim that Cher’s unhappiness came out of left field. But here he acknowledges their fights over the busy schedule he arranged and he admits they “worked their asses off” in the summer of 1970 and that may have “cost us our relationship.” He mentions making the Dick Van Dyke TV special (he doesn’t mention its name, The First Nine Months Are the Hardest) and how it was hard to be on the road again and playing two shows a night. “We were up and down on planes…packing and unpacking…walking through smelly kitchens late at night…not connecting well.” He says Cher saw it as “a treadmill going nowhere.” He also says, “our enthusiasm for life was too low to pick up” and “you feel miserable.”

Cher does say ”every night was like a war” but she’s talking about with the audience.

Only Cher mentions the Love American Style appearance in January of 1971. Cher talks about how kind Sonny was during her panic attacks and his “odd” experiments like having her sing Puccini’s “Un bel dì, vedremo” from Madame Butterfly.

Cher explains how the new act developed from drunks in crowds and how she started talking to the band and making them laugh. She didn’t get the side eye from Sonny because it was working and at least they were entertaining each other. Cher calls it “always hit or miss” and that very “slowly we developed a [20 minute] act people would line up to see.” She notes it was “not our singing. “They wanted to hear our jokes.” Cher talks about her heritage of wiseassery. But that “never in a gazillion years did I imagine that I’d become a standup comedian.” Cher explains the type of jokes they told: about Sonny’s mother, his height, his singing, his hopes of becoming a sex symbol, her nose, her body type. Cher says it was accidental and “We got excited again.” They both tell some of the jokes they did.  Cher says, “Timing was everything” and she could “make Sonny laugh so much he couldn’t sputter out his lines.”

Sonny’s version: “We gradually developed a humorous and fairly sophisticated repartee.”

Cher again says their stage personas were the opposite of their off-stage relationship. Cher tells a story of trying to confide unhappiness in Sonny and his explosion and threat to divorce her.

Cher does talk about the discomfort of it, how that “felt horrible.” They would be in motels across the street from venues and casinos. Train whistles would keep them up at night. Bad plumbing. Mildew on the walls. Paper thin walls. Sonny would make them hot-plate pasta for the family and the band because they couldn’t afford restaurants. Cher admits sometimes “I wanted to curl up and die.”  Cher says they’d take the service elevator and then navigate their way through the busy kitchen trying not to slip on any grease or wok into a waiter flying past carrying five plates and standing by the swinging doors and trying to keep out of the way, listening for their cue. Then walk out smiling.

She says her sister was  traveling with them, too.

Sonny admits that although they were feuding, they were also other’s best friends. He says there are talks of a TV show but nothing came of it. Cher talks about the Century Plaza comedian night and working on The Nitty Gritty Hour special, which she says felt formulaic and nothing came of it.

Sonny’s August 26 1970 diary entry admitted Cher was complaining that he was pushing too hard. He says that during weeks in New Orleans they barely spoke unless they were fighting. (Later he will say he had no idea she felt this way.)

Cher says, “I felt permanently tired.”

Sonny says they would dress up to play to 12 people, where they used to play for tens of thousands. He says they were “not concerned with putting on a good show” but “how can I get out of this situation?”

Cher says it’s a “thousand times harder to come back than become, almost impossible.” And she concurs that they were used to 30 thousand screaming fans and were lucky now if they had more than 100. One of the midnight shows at the Elmwood there was only 4 people. Some “real dives.” They were used to kids who “knew every word of our songs” and now played “to people who didn’t know us,” people who were coming for dinner and drinks, not to see a show.

At this time Sonny said he felt Cher’s “admiration for him was zip” and that he was worried about the survival of Sonny & Cher but she was only worried about her own survival.  It’s in the middle of this, (not at the massive tax debt episode where Cher puts it) that Sonny says he asked Cher for 3 years (not 2) to get them back on top.

They both agreed they communicated better in Sonny’s diary.

He shares his September 11 diary entry (paperback, 1812) which has similar verbiage to the one Cher mentions in her memoir (hardback, 207) , the one that talks about Cher being “my stability, my generator. I need you to believe in me Cher” and Cher responds: “I am you. That’s scary to me. Even if you left me, you couldn’t rid your body of me. I can’t believe I’m saying this out loud.” Maybe these are two different entries they’re talking about. They don’t read the same in each book. This also wasn’t one of the ones Mary Bono republished in People Magazine.

But in hindsight Cher felt she did believe in Sonny because “Sonny believed in us…he kept pushing,” getting them TV appearances and shows.

Sonny says they were “popping” and “generating heat” and selling out shows and “drawing” in Las Vegas, where they shared a bill with David Brenner and Frankie Avalon. They didn’t even have a hit record, Sonny marvels. He says the true benchmark of their worth was “how hotels received us.”

Both end chapters before they start to talk about their new TV show, The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour.

The First TV Show & Records

Sonny says TV executive Fred Silverman, a “genius programmer at CBS Television” saw them at the Waldorf Astoria.

Cher says it was around 2 years to the day that Fred Silverman saw their performance at The Royal Box Supper Club in the Americana hotel. Cher says by this time their act was “razor sharp.” Then they were sub-hosts on the Merv Griffin Show.

Sonny says, “Silverman arranged for us to serve as guests on the Merv Griffin show and they went over big. Silverman sent a congratulatory letter.”

Cher says Silverman wanted younger viewers. He sent producers Bearde and Bly to the Fairmont Hotel where they saw some raw talent and all hit it off. On their way back to LA on the plane, they sketched out the show. I remember Bearde and Bly saying the same thing on some Cher documentary, maybe Behind the Music.

In the meantime, Sonny says, a friend from his record promo days, Johnny Musso, signed Cher to Kapp Records and Sonny says, “he was taking a risk.” Musso “didn’t want me to produce.” This is the second time Sonny is asked not to be producer. “He wanted to use Snuff Garrett. I was bored by the studio and Snuff was a friend back to Liberty Records.”

Because of the TV schedule, Cher says, they had one week to finish this first record. Cher “loved Snuffy” because he was funny and great at his job, a “get it done” kind of guy. Sonny was busy with other things, Cher says, like arranging the tours.

Silverman arranged for a replacement series of 7 shows, Sonny says, and their ratings were good.

Cher calls it a summer of 6 shows and their show led into the miniseries about six wives of Henry VIII, every night a different wife. Fact check: there were 6.

Then in September the single “Gypsies, Tramps & Thieves” was released and 7 weeks later it hit #1. Sonny counts every chart position and he gets them right. Cher tends to get them wrong. Cher talks about the cover, the accent on her name, how it was her first top ten solo (“Bang Bang” went to #2 and “You’d Better Sit Down Kids” to #9). The album went gold and the song was nominated for a Grammy. She was working so hard she doesn’t remember how it felt. She only remembers being on the road, country fairgrounds and “huge crowds for us” but also being exhausted.

Sonny is frustrated with this. “Cher was sleeping” he says disparagingly at ever milestone of good fortune. He feels he is the only one enjoying it. Then he fires Joe DeCarlo because he’s taking 20% (the combined 10% each that 1960s managers Stone and Greene were getting). Besides, he has his road manager Denis Prognolato who he says was doing all the work anyway.

Remember Denis was the spy in tennis-lesson-gate, friend to Sonny. Not so much to Cher.

Cher says around this time Sonny changed. He hires lawyer Irwin Spiegel and is always in meetings with him smoking cigars.

The album Sonny & Cher Live comes out and goes to #35.

The “All I Ever Need Is You” single goes to #7 and the album to #14. The single “When You Say Love” goes to #32. This is all Sonny recounting.

But we could have used more of Sonny’s view about his own songs here, just like with “I Got You Babe” and “The Beat Goes On.”  He had three songs on All I Ever Need Is You. He says nothing about “A Cowboys’ Work is Never Done” except that it was a top 10 song in April of 1972 (#8).

Things are going good, Sonny says. The Comedy Hour got a greenlight. Their Vegas shows are sold out with “traffic backed up nightly.” But he feels deflated when Cher says she “wished they were really big, like the Rolling Stones or Dylan.” They are selling seats for $500. He says he feels invalidated and Cher is always the victim. (Which is neck-breaking projection in one paragraph). He thinks Cher is tired of S&C and hates sharing the spotlight. Cast and crew of the variety show, including Bob Mackie, the producers, the first hairdresser, just don’t back this up. There is the famous story about how Sonny would say “jump” and Cher would say “how high,” plus the fact that he said himself Cher had anxiety and hated performing without him, and in the 1970s would prefer to perform through him.

Sonny sees they are drifting apart. He wants you to know he sees and yet he also reserves the right to be completely taken by surprise later.  He feels they are still connected, intwined, “still drew life from the same umbilical chord and to think of severing ties seemed suicidal.” (Which shows he was thinking about it.)

Cher agrees and says they had a strange relationship as husband and wife, best friends, parents, partners and strangers.

Sonny says they went “from hasbeens to hot stuff “ and that he reinvested most of “our salary” into show, which had a 35k weekly budget. Which he said was “peanuts in prime time.” How’d they afford The Big House then? Because they were broke at the start of this decade. Sonny talks about their nose jobs and Cher’s breast reshaping and the infected scars that resulted.

The both agree they loved their televisions show. Sonny says, “the show was a blast to do. Even on our bad days we had fun.” He says Cher had her dream gowns of Bob Mackie.

In Cher’s version she had to fight for Bob Mackie. Ret Turner was already assigned to the show. She got Mackie to intervene and persevere. Cher became friends with both men. Cher says the small budget gave the show a family dynamic in the beginning.

Her first favorite dress was the red one with the open stomach, but that she loved the beautiful beaded shimmery gowns, which later came to cost 5k per dress. Cher says she was a size 6 at 108 pounds and her body type had come into vogue. (We could argue she helped it get there with her TV show.) Cher talks about John Wilson, the set, their coordinated outfits, how they both walked on stage with interlocking fingers, and her feeling “this is what I’m supposed to do.”

Cher has much more room to talk about the details of the show, what they did on which days, who the guest stars were, the role of Chastity, the innuendos and the lack of censorship, about the audience feedback. She said she could look back at the script Sonny wrote (“virtually by himself”) for Good Times and suddenly see it was “way ahead of its time.”  She talks about the first taping, the issues with her skin and hair.

Cher said Silverman was like a father figure. She talked about the difference between their written lines and their improvisations, how Sonny didn’t memorize anything and relied on cue cards, whereas she would memorize the scripts “on first sight.” She said she “let him flounder,” go along and then get him with a one-liner. She said the show was set up for Sonny to be the straight man. And they encouraged him to be silly. “He knew I had his back,” Cher says. She felt they were more equals on the show. “Sonny learned his own style of comedy and was hilarious. People loved him.” Cher says when they went to work, they got along. “I don’t remember a single show when we were angry with each other.”

Sonny says they had “top-notch writers” but he doesn’t mention any names of the cast or crew. He says Cher still had stage freight and worked to the cameras and through characters. But it gelled, was “hip and kooky.” Sonny talks about his “Fair Cher” poems and Cher’s impeccable timing” but he says now Cher is “impossible to read.”

Cher says they had a great crew and the producers did a great job. She says the reviews improved and they were renewed for 13 more shows. Critics said they were “endearingly mismatched” and they liked the screw ups and ad libs and the married-people affection like Sonny brushing hair from Cher’s face. Cher talks about director Art Fisher’s pioneering chroma key/blue screen, her iconic Vamp and Laundromat skits. She mentions Ted Zeigler, Freeman King, Peter Cullen, Murray Langston and Steve Martin “who went out tour with us after shows.” She talks about singing the old songs. She says she needed Sonny for those solos and couldn’t have done them without him. (This doesn’t sound like a woman who had been trying to distance herself from him.)

Cher says they were a Monday night institution and a top 10 hit with millions of viewers at a time. Market research found  Sonny loveable and Cher beautiful with her array of clothes. Cher then talks about recovering on weekends with Chas. After a show wrap, she would “go home, go look at the baby, wash face, brush teeth, watch TV, go to sleep.”

She remembers their days at their house at Oxnard Beach which were “some of our happiest days.”

Sonny agrees that at that time they felt like “a cozy family unit.”

Cher talks about being TV famous and how work was a safe zone, that they never fought on the set. [Charo tells a story of overhearing fights on the set and there were those Battling Bonos rumors.]

The Big House

Architectural Digest reported in 2019 the house was on sale for $115 million. More history (considering the short time they lived there, all tenants considered, it’s interesting that the house is still referred to as the Sonny & Cher house/estate) and updates through the years.

They were living in the 34-room mansion known as the St. Cloud house and it was 8 weeks into season 1 of their show and Tony Curtis, ever the opportunist Sonny says, sold them another house known as The Big House, now known as Owlwood or sometimes Carolwood Estate. Curtis said to Sonny, “You’re stars. You should reside in heaven!” The house was $750,000. Both houses seemed like a trophy, Sonny says, and that the Big House was 54 rooms and 30,000 sq ft. [Wikipedia says the house is 12,000 sq ft.]

Sonny says the purchase was a grave mistake and there were lots of misfortunes associated with the house and it was too big for a tiny family. He said the house had cold, bad vibes and was only good for hiding troubles. You wonder then why he later wanted to fight for it. He says Cher furnished it in three days.

Cher says “I don’t think anyone ever sat in the living room.”

Cher admits she broke down in tears asking Sonny if they could buy it. Cher says she rarely cried or asked for anything.” She says, Sonny wanted the house too because it was “a gargantuan symbol of our comeback,” their “castle on the hill” and that it would change things. Cher admits she had the house decorated with antiques from Europe. She says, “it was stunning” and she lists the outdoor buildings and describes Chas’ bedroom, although notes that Chas preferred the tack house to her bedroom (famously depicted on Sonny & Cher’s last duet album). The kitchen was her least favorite, Cher said and that the paneled library was her favorite space and one of the smallest. Cher correctly notes the 12, 200 sq ft of the house with 9 bedrooms, 10 baths. Sonny never wanted to throw parties, she said, except for Thanksgiving, Christmas and Chas’ birthday.  Sonny stopped her friends like Joey from coming over.

Busyness & Las Vegas

Cher says Sonny was “turning into one of ‘the suits.'” He wasn’t happy being an entertainer but wanted to be a mogul. She missed the old pasta-making Sonny with Chas on his hip. Now he just spent hours in meeting with lawyers. Cher talks about “The Benevolent Army of El Primo,” the jackets, all which was kind of a joke but kind of not a joke. Cher feels herself disconnecting, shutting down in fights. The CBS family “kept me going” she says but she longed to have own opinions and make friends. She felt closed in. They had no dinners out, no concerts, no movies. Their relationship was all work. Outside of that she had shopping and Chas.

Sonny feels Cher is ungrateful. Cher says Sonny was on a mission never to be poor again.

Sonny acknowledges it was a hectic calendar. “If there was a break in the TV show, I booked out of town concerts…That’s where the big money was.” He said they made 50-60k on a good night. They made 4 million that way, he says and that “Cher’s complaints were a broken record.” [But during the breakup story below, he will act dumbfounded.]

Cher’s defense: “Work was hard on me” and she said she had a more demanding TV show schedule than Sonny did. Sonny also wanted them to be recording new [solo and duet] music and doing shows on the road. “We have to make the most of this second chance…this is our time,” Cher remembers Sonny saying.  Everything became “a big blur,” all the TV work, fittings, photoshoots, interviews, tours, recordings, being a mom. She said they did 50 shows that year and Sonny arranged it so they would have to tape 2 shows a week sometimes, film two shows in 3 days show so they could spend 9 days on the road. It saved the producers money but Cher felt she had no time to catch a breath and it was double work for everyone on the show. She said they did that about once a month. She quotes producer George Schlatter as saying, “If Sonny & Cher were driving into Hollywood from the valley, Sonny would take a gig on Mulholland to break up the trip.”

Sonny says he was “building our savings” and he understood that “she hated the grind” and how she never could play in Vegas without getting sick, which Sonny took as “an excuse to cut the run short.” Sonny loved Vegas. “We were huge there…broke house records.” Sonny loved the “Disneyland for adults” aspect, what he called “the dark artificiality” of it. He admits Cher hated “everything about it” and that she hid in hotel room with room service and the TV. He pictured her as reclusive as Hugh Hefner, which is a tragic misreading of a person desperate to go out and have some fun for a change, just not in anyway like the way Sonny wanted to have fun.

Sonny went to see Elvis with Denis. He’d never seen Elvis but they often played Vegas at the same time. Sonny was fascinated by his power over an audience. It’s interesting to compare how Sonny and Cher each describe seeing Elvis perform. They are both mesmerized by it.

Elvis invited Sonny and Denis backstage “I’d never seen anyone like Elvis,” whom Sonny said had the charisma to transform a mediocre show. Sonny said Elvis “didn’t give a shit” and like Cher he would probably rather trade handshakes for money than perform. Sonny doesn’t mention this but like Elvis, Cher would also become a mesmerizing and hypnotic personality.

Sonny is actually great at explaining Elvis in his book, though. He said Elvis told him he liked the S&Cs version of “What Now My Love [Sonny mis punctuates the title] and that he listened to it before recording his own version (which sounds more like the original French version to me).

Sonny said he and Cher had a private plane and would be mobbed at airports, and that they had packed shows. But that Cher was “absorbed in needlepoint” on plains and in dressing rooms and always looking bored and disinterested.

Cher says she needlepointed herself half to death from the stress.

Sonny says romance became a commodity. Both agree they were suppressing their relationship troubles.

Cher felt alienated, not allowed to have friends over or “fraternize with the band.” By this time her sister was busy working as an actress. Cher tells about the Tupperware story and this is one of the final straws.

The Breakup Story

Sonny begins his breakup chapter with two diary entries that look back on the implosion, his November 4, 1972, entry where “Everything has exploded. Chastity doesn’t know mom and dad are on the ropes.” He says he’s been so worried about their careers, he’s never worried about their relationship.  [Sonny, even your own diary begs to differ].

Then a few days later on November 11, “Cher wants to run like a racehorse but she can’t find a track. I used to be the jokey. She shoved the saddle up my ass.”

[This is a terrible analogy because it kind of proves Cher’s point. She’s not a horse. WTH.] He says Cher was “admittedly miserable.” He talks about the worst time in his life, when he was married to Donna and lost his job before Christmas and then his car broke down.

They both take time to tell this story.

Sonny introduces the day by talking about Cher being antsy and unhappy (for no reason he can understand).

Cher introduces her version by talking about her breakup catalyst, not Bill Hamm (Sonny never obscures his name), but her soon-to-be best friend, Paulette, who was a 21-year-old worldly Armenian, sophisticated and dating their road manager, Jerry Ridgeway. They’ve been best friends for over 50 years now, Cher says. And Cher was initially allowed this friend because for some reason “Sonny never saw her as a threat.” [And he never acknowledges Paulette’s role in their breakup in his own memoirs.] Cher enjoyed listening to Paulette’s life stories. They each wanted the other’s life. By that time Cher says she wasn’t eating or sleeping. (In Forever Fit Cher Cher says she was suicidal and down to 94 pounds, only eating a few bites of egg a day.) Cher says she feels the TV show changed Sonny completely but that she still loved him. “He didn’t notice me anymore” because he was trying to be a mogul. This is a consistent Cher story in interviews (from at least Believe-era on). Cher felt she couldn’t trust him anymore and she was needlepointing herself “to death.” She is candid that she had no desire to have more kids with Sonny although she admitted he was a great dad and that he and Chaz had a special relationship that “didn’t include me.” Chas was El Primo, Jr.

Cher says that they had back-to-back shows in Reno and Las Vegas. At the Sahara they had two shows a night in the Congo Room. She was feeling trapped. Paulette was starting to help her as a gofer and a dresser. After shows, Paulette would hang out with the band smoking pot, drinking beer, playing guitars. Cher was envious of her stories.

Cher says she was exhausted and asked Sonny for a vacation to Europe and he rolled his eyes. He called her selfish. Cher says she was crazy with loneliness and had been sitting on the balcony rails of hotel rooms ready to jump “five or six times” (!!!) But “one morning everything changed.” Between shows that day she figured she could just leave Sonny. Paulette was oblivious to Cher’s condition and told her about Bill Hamm’s crush on her. There’s a story with the Etch-a-Sketch and the song “Superstar.”

Sonny says It was a Saturday night. “Cher and I were breaking attendance records while ignoring our personal differences.” Between shows, Sonny remembers that he, Cher, Denis and our guitarist Bill Hamm went over to the Hilton to see Tina Turner. They then went back to Flamingo and did their late show and received three standing ovations. David Brenner was their opening act and jokes about “the dough we were making” and “our opulent suite.”

Cher says it was The Righteous Brothers that the band wanted to see at the Hilton Hotel and that Cher went with Paulette and Ridgeway. Not Sonny. Everyone acted like she was crazy for doing something without Sonny. She sat next to Bill and he put his hand on her knee. (I can’t wait for this movie.)

In Cher’s version, she returned from the Righteous Brothers and had to ignore Sonny’s fury. She left for her dressing room, ignoring him. After the show she told Paulette she wanted to hang out with the band and they hung out in Jeff Porcaro’s room. None of this is in Sonny’s book. Cher said the band was “nervous as hell.” Bill and Cher left to go look for cigarettes. They ran into David Brenner. Cher says David and Brenner were close and Brenner was nervous about seeing Cher out and about without Sonny, too. Bill asks Cher how she can live this way. Some kissing happens. They go back into the room. Sonny calls pissed. Cher says she’s just hanging with the guys. “You could have heard a pin drop in the room,” Cher says. Cher says she told Sonny on the phone that she was bringing Bill up to their room.

Sonny says they were exhausted after the second show and there was strained conversation at the elevator. On the road, Sonny says, they had a truce to engage in “shallow chitchat” because they were “forced to share close quarters.” (How does he not see a train wreck coming?) Anyway, Sonny says he is looking forward to sleep. [This must be one of the nights he wasn’t out with other women.] Cher shot me a pained look. “Bill Hamm is coming up,” Sonny remembers Cher saying. He figured they were working on songs together. [How was that allowed? Working on music without Sonny?] When they get to the hotel room, Sonny has Cher saying, “I’m in love with Bill Hamm. I want you to leave.”

Says says he wanted to talk about it. “Let’s talk, okay.” Sonny says he “never suspected” was “shocked” and felt “flat-footed.” He admits he thought of killing Bill Hamm or hitting him. Sonny says when Bill came in to the room, he was oblivious but soon figured it out. (Sonny is always more sympathetic to Cher’s boyfriends and husbands than he was to Cher somehow.) He said Cher had a “fearless nerve.”

Cher says the nerve was all Bill Hamm’s who must have had “balls the size of something huge.” (That’s how much everyone was afraid of Sonny.) Cher doesn’t have Sonny asking to talk about anything. She has him in a chair staring her down and she remembers shocking herself by saying she wants to sleep with Bill in their room. She says she didn’t mean it but it seemed like an expeditious was to escape The Sonny. Cher says Sonny returned silence (not a plea for dialogue) and that he asked her “how long to you think you’ll need?” Cher said two hours and not another word was spoken and Sonny left the room.

According to Sonny, he fantasized about breaking whiskey bottles over their heads or perhaps destroying the suite (which would have been a real rock star move for him). But he just left, felling defeated, like a “zombie.”

Cher acknowledges that she had put Hamm in jeopardy. She said they just spent the night talking. Cher appreciated his friendship and sympathy and she cried on his shoulder.

Sonny says he went to play Blackjack (which is kind of odd) and that Bill’s girlfriend tapped him on the shoulder looking for Bill. Sonny says he told her what was going on. Sonny said, “let’s go to your room” and “she did not hesitate.” Wow. They had retribution sex which was unsatisfying. Sonny says, because they “bumped into each other with the enthusiasm of two people who had just been mugged.” (Very good metaphor though.)

Sonny says Bill returned in the morning. Sonny and the unnamed “girl” where still together in bed. “He brushed by me as if I was not there.” When Sonny returned to the opulent S&C suite, it was 5 am and Cher was asleep in bed. Sonny says he took off his wedding ring (and you wonder if he had it on all those times he was cheating on Cher) and had a “disturbed” sleep next to Cher.

In Cher’s version, Sonny returns at 5 am. They agree on this.

But Sonny says he wanted to talk to Cher when they both woke up and he remembers telling her it wasn’t too late to change things. Cher asked him what he did last night and he said “I screwed Bill’s girlfriend.” And Cher said, “that’s funny, we didn’t even go to bed together.” Sonny said he wanted to ring her neck. (You have to admit, he was easily played into that situation. In his own version of it, anyway.)

Sonny says they then talked the entire day about everything, how the love was gone and he says Cher was “calm and casual.” Sonny says he tried talking to her because he says he knew she didn’t love Bill Hamm. “He was a pawn in her game,” the last “straw to break my back…he was her way out of Sonny & Cher.”

This is all very strident projection because there is no outside collaboration and Cher denies ever wanting to “escape Sonny & Cher,” although she did want to escape the schedule and the loneliness.

Sonny admits he was “also stark, raving mad…the closest I’ve come to real craziness.”

According to Cher there was no conversation. He treated her very coldly when he came back and by then she knew he didn’t love her anymore. She says while she was half asleep Sonny pulled off her wedding ring. (which is very creepy). She says she woke up in the afternoon and Sonny was gone and she knew there was no way she could perform that night. It was then, Cher says, that Sonny sent Chas and their nanny back to L.A., “another of his unilateral decisions.”

Sonny says Cher insisted on her love for Bill during that day-long conversation. Their next showtime was approaching. Sonny says he asked Cher to have Bill come up and they all talked in the dressing room but the “discussion was a futile waste of breath.” Sonny admitted he couldn’t perform until there was resolution to the drama. Their manager had been calling them all day on the phone and leaving notes under their hotel door. At 4 pm, they cancelled the remaining shows that night and for the rest of the run. Unfortunately no one told their opening act, David Brenner, Sonny says, and so he showed up for his cue   at 8 pm.

[It was due to the cancellations that rumors started in the press about Sonny having assaulted Cher. See the Rolling Stone interview of 1973.]

Sonny says, “Denis went off to kill Bill.” (I should watch that movie.)

Sonny says Denis spoke to Cher, saying she wanted to leave town. Dennis agreed it was a good idea. They feared CBS would hear the news. Cher wanted to go to San Francisco with Bill. “Dennis made the arrangements.” He also hired a P.I. to follow her but the P.I. lost Cher at the San Francisco airport.

Sonny says he booked Chas and the Nanny on a plane to L.A. (making it sound like he did that after Cher left town). Sonny says he was “too numb” to function and when he got back to L.A. he stayed in bed depressed for two weeks and got down to 130 pounds.

According to Cher, her exit day happened differently. That day she went walking on the strip alone, but she was sent back into the hotel by autograph seekers. She found Sonny sulking in his dressing room. She asked him for $500 in cash. He gave her the money without saying anything except that America would hate her for breaking them up.

Cher says she left for Paulette and Jerry’s room as a safe hideout. Bill was there getting ready to leave for Texas. It is here, Cher says, when she found out Sonny slept with Bill’s girlfriend in revenge the night before, not from a conversation with Sonny earlier that morning. Cher asked Bill to go to San Francisco with her instead of back to Texas. All she could think of was going to Sausalito. Cher says nothing about Denis Pregnolato arranging anything with Sonny’s blessing. And it’s doubtful she would trust Denis (after Tennis-Lesson-gate). According to Cher is was Jerry Ridgeway who loaned Cher his rental car and he was worried about it, afraid of losing his job. Hamm and Cher then took separate cars from the San Francisco airport but got lost in that fog. Cher knew the P.I. was behind them and they got lost too, she says. They all ended up back at the airport hotel.

But then Sonny says Cher called Denis a day after they left saying she wanted to come home but that she feared Sonny’s reaction. Cher came back to their bedroom but Sonny says they were “strangers, zombies, enemies.” Luckily, Sonny says, they had 54 rooms to spread out in.

In Cher’s version, she says Denis found them at the San Francisco hotel and called to threaten them, saying it would be “really bad for Bill if you don’t come home.”

Cher says within a week they were back filming the TV show. She confirms Sonny looked bad when she arrived home, exhausted. She said he had the demeanor of being beaten and looked gaunt. But immediately she was pulled into a meeting with Irwin, the lawyer, about breaches of contracts and costings of millions.

Sonny says this all happened right before taping the 1972 Christmas show. And that the producers knew but they kept it a secret. At the end of November, Sonny says he went traveling for two weeks to clear his head. He went to France, England, Nassau and Miami but he had no fun. (If only he had only consented to this trip with Cher when she pleaded for it, maybe none of this would have happened.)

In his December 1972 diary, Sonny talks about how they look like a “warm and loving” couple but the situation “felt cold and hateful.” Sonny admits that his next conversations with Cher were about keeping the business together (and that begs the question of why she would agree to that if she was trying to get out of the act). He says he did most of the talking “in a familiar repetition” of past conversations. (So how did he ever know how she felt about anything ever?) He says Cher agreed they were in a “lucrative business” and they agreed to have separate personal lives.

(So either Cher wanted out of the act or she didn’t. It doesn’t sound like she did. She was willing to keep it going.)

A later Sonny diary entry talks about how neither Cher nor Sonny had any kind of family life and that Cher used to worry about that, according to Sonny. “I would tell her we would build our own. Now again I have no family.” Sonny does seem to feel victimized but likes to attribute that to Cher. But it is a sad diary entry, nonetheless. Sonny’s diary gets a bit  melodramatic (understandably): “She’s not mine anymore. Nothing has any meaning.”

Sonny claims Cher was a changed person (too) but that he wouldn’t trade those ten years because “they were the best of my life.” (I do feel Sonny is being honest here but that he has serious blind spots in hindsight.)

Sonny says they each moved into one half of The Big House. Sonny claims they did the same thing “with our money, our daughter and everything else.” (Except, stay tuned, they never did divide the money.)  And, he says, they attempted to separate without disaster. He understands by then that Cher wants freedom. “I thought I was teaching; she thought I was intimidating.” [But then so did the whole band think he was intimidating.]

Cher says she had no money and never did receive her share. Leaving Sonny was losing all the money. (That alone makes you believe she would have stayed if she could). Cher says she was given $5,000 a month (no chump change) while they were separated and a rented condo in Malibu near Moonshadows where she spent a lot of time sleeping. Bill Hamm came to visit there (and you get the sense that here is where she learned what a good relationship could be like) but they weren’t allowed to go out to dinner or to movies and she was never allowed to be seen in the company of other men in public. Sonny had no such stipulations it would seem.

After the Breakup

By the summer of 1973 Sonny says he was no longer trying to get back together with Cher. (Which is a strange thing to say but Cher has reported in the past that there was a period when he was doing that, trying to get back together.)

It seems like pretty soon he moved their secretary, Connie Foreman, into the Sonny wing of the Big House. Sonny mentions Cher didn’t seem upset by this. Sonny calls Connie a former cigarette girl at Pips (that club where Lucille Ball would show up and they would all play backgammon) and I’m reminded here of his violently slapping the cigarette tray into the face of the cigarette girl in their movie Good Times.

Cher says Connie was their assistant and agrees with Sonny. She liked Connie and says Connie would get tired of Sonny’s rules and come over to hang out in Cher’s wing to listen to music and smoke cigarettes.

Cher says she became friends with Sonny again, that they could enjoy each other again. Sonny tells her he thought about throwing her off the balcony back in Vegas and says he would have pleaded insanity. Then getting a book deal and TV show from it. (Yikes!) Cher said living with him made her want to jump off the balcony. They laughed.

Sonny says friendliness on his part was an act “deserving an Academy Award.” Ouch. At home, he says they were two strangers. Sonny says he still saw Bill as her pawn. He thinks the same, he says, about future boyfriends Robert Camilletti and Richie Sambora. Neither of these men have said they felt like pawns and have pretty much only good things to say about their time with Cher (Sambora commenting pretty recently). Gregg Allman’s worst comment about Cher was to say she wasn’t a good singer. (Imagine!) Sonny says Cher “wears men like ornaments.” Then he goes on to admit he went out to party at the clubs after they broke up, “hitting on chicks right and left.” (I think this man has previous sentence amnesia, but we can all see his stripes, right?) Anyway, he says Cher and Bill broke up after several months and she started dating their keyboard player David Paich. Then Bernie Taupin.

This all happened around the time of her hit “Half Breed” and what Cher calls a “grueling summer tour.”

Cher talks about “pianist David Paich,” whose father Marty was their orchestra leader. (Sonny doesn’t mention this.) Cher said this only lasted during the grueling summer tour. Cher says it was during this tour that Cher, Paulette, Paich, the Porcaro bothers, Hungate and Lukather (I will now start calling them Proto-Toto) were hanging out in a playground on the  swings after which Sonny via his loyal guy Denis called each member of the band individually to threaten to break fingers and blow up cars for hanging out with Cher.  The band and even Paulette stopped talking to Cher upon threat of being fired. Only David Brenner would talk to Cher and even he was afraid, according to Cher. But Toto ostensibly could weigh in on this if they would ever admit to working for Sonny & Cher.

So Cher started singing with her back to Sonny. This was around the time of their second Live album at the Sahara in Las Vegas. Cher notes that Sonny’s comments and stories during that show were designed to make her feel guilty. But she maintains that “he was the one who caused it to end.” Cher says she always thought he would come to realize she “was the one who was always there for him, who loved him” and that she knew “he loved me, just not enough to be faithful or kind.”

Sigh. Did he come to realize that?

Sonny says their lawyers did all the real fighting and he moved on thinking about how to survive without S&C.

Cher tells her Lucille Ball story and adds she used Lucy’s lawyer, Mickey Rudin. Sonny calls Paulette “our secretary” and accuses her of spreading rumors that Cher wanted to get back together with him. Cher has Paulette telling Cher “good for you.”

Sonny talks about a “bad” trip to Paris. He doesn’t mention Cher being there but Cher says around this time she went to Paris with Sonny. They stayed at the Raphael hotel and this is where Sonny’s was taking a bath and Cher is telling him modern girls won’t put up with his bullshit anymore. Cher talks about Sonny’s M.O. of gift-buying to placate the cheating. Sonny doesn’t mention any of this.

They go to the 1973 Golden Globes together to give the award for Best Musical or Comedy Series. Cher mentions a fox coat she wore and  multicolored skirt which she says is one of her favorite looks of all time.

Cher talks about Captain Spike Nesmyth, the captured pilot who was a Sonny & Cher fan and the POW/MIA bracelets they wore. Sonny doesn’t mention this. Cher talks about Chastity’s 4th birthday party. [There’s a magazine article depicting one of those birthday parties. I’ll try to dig it up.] Cher talks about going to the 1973 Academy Awards with Sonny in the gold dress to present the award for best song, “The Morning After” from The Poseidon Adventure.

Cher tells the therapist story and Sonny’s interloping. He doesn’t tell this story. Cher admits going to Joe DeCarlo again for friendship and advice. DeCarlo tells her about Sonny’s infidelities with all the womens, including hookers, waitresses and dancers, how he would book an extra room. Women started telling Cher these stories too, saying Sonny claimed he had an open marriage with Cher.

Cher tells the Jack Benny/Johnny Carson party story where she went with Sonny and got kicked out for laughing at Lucille Ball’s irreverent political commentary. Sonny doesn’t mention this story.

Cher talks about feeling liberated and independent and adventurous, dressing how she liked, learning how to shop for food and sign checks. Poignantly she talks about not having to worry about whether she was laughing too loud. The laughing-too-loud thing. This is always a sign of an uneven relationship and I’ve witnessed it with couples within my own family and in song.

One page 214 of the paperback Sonny talks about the Mother Nature skit and the tension on the set. They both talk about this skit. They both agree Cher ad-libed telling Sonny to go fuck himself. Sonny has nobody laughing and the director suggesting they try it again and Sonny saying “not without our lawyers.”

Cher talks about the skit on page 288 (hardback). She said it was a Chiffon Margarine commercial spoof and it was a few days after leaving Sonny. “What’s the secret of life?” Sonny asks. “Go fuck yourself,” Cher responds. She says Sonny collapsed in hysterics and she did too, along with Sonny’s comment “not without our lawyers.”

She says later Sonny called her act of leaving him in Vegas her “Nagasaki moment,” words he had printed for her on a gold dog tag. In disagreement with Sonny (who feels he should get an Oscar), Cher maintains they weren’t acting affection after they separated. “You can’t fake that shit,” she says.

But in any case, they both agreed they could easily be Sonny & Cher professionally. Cher says she liked working with him but didn’t know “how to read him” anymore. They say the exact same thing about each other.

By December of 1973, she was seeing David Geffen.

David Geffen Susses Out Cher Enterprises

Sonny says Cher turned suddenly into “an ice maiden” and was testy to the whole crew, less of a team player, less approachable and kept saying things like “I have to talk to David.” Sonny thought she meant Proto-Toto’s David Paich but it was this producer fellow. The irony of all ironies is this Sonny comment: “I wrote him off as a little wimpy guy.” (First off, it’s totally wrong and second it’s almost verbatim what the mayor of Palm Springs wrote off Sonny as in the 1980s at his first running for mayor). But Sonny quickly admits now he misjudged the man who would become “the most powerful, respected, wealthy and feared man in Hollywood…one of my great misjudgments.” That must be his second biggest misjudgments after thinking he could mistreat Cher for so long and keep a golden rainbow coming out of his ass. (Too much?)

Anyway, Cher says Sonny was uneasy when he found out about Geffen being as smart and powerful as Geffen was, “much more than himself.” Cher starts hanging out A-listers now: Bob Dylan and his wife, Jack Nicholson and Anjelica Houston, Warren Beatty and his girlfriend Julie Christy, Lou Adler.

Cher says it was Sonny who began to change. At work, things had been friendly but he stopped being friendly. Not his goofy fun self on the set. (Someone from the show needs to weigh in here.)

Sonny saw Geffen as in a conspiracy to get Cher a solo CBS show (and solo record and movie deals). Cher denies this. Sonny admits Cher denies this but he believes it anyway. Cher says that Sonny & Cher’s agent pitched the idea to them once at Geffen’s house but that they asked him to leave and never spoke to him again because he was ostensibly Sonny’s friend.

But Geffen was exploring her existing contracts. David and Cher then learned about Cher Enterprises and how Cher had zero votes, rights or stake in the company and was entitled to none of their income over the last ten years. Sonny owned 95% and their lawyer owned 5%. Cher was an employee and she received the noblese oblige of Sonny plus 2 weeks vacation. She also has no way to make money outside of this enterprise without Sonny’s permission.

(Just the name of it sounds demeaning and exploitive.)

Sonny talks about contracts. He says their TV contract had 3 more years. They had just finished year 2. Cher agrees with this. She says she was was locked into the contract for 2 more years. She says she had stayed during the bad times, Sonny’s movie dramas, the tax fiasco and was heartbroken and “so mad” and “thank God I had David.”

They each represent each other as cold. And Sonny, we have seen, has a tendency to project. Not that Cher was probably the best communicator there ever was at this time.

Sonny has Cher saying he and Geffen should get into a room together and whoever wins wins. Cher has Sonny refusing to renegotiate during her attempts to talk it over and being met with Sonny’s cold eyes and his smoking cigars. She had a child to raise, her sister and her mother to worry about, she says. She couldn’t work for nothing.

By January of 1974 Sonny says he is tired of faking a marriage and that Cher was refusing to work anymore “for our corporation Cher Enterprises.” (Our.) A few pages later he says “Cher and I were employed by Cher Enterprises. Cher and I were 50/50 partners. That is not only how the corporation was set up, that is the law of community property in California.”

Then a page later Sonny contradicts himself and says, “when Cher wanted out of her contractual obligations, when she wanted to split Cher Enterprises 50/50, I said no.”

Sonny has the gall to say about himself in the third person, “Cher decided to shoot Sonny in the back.”

Anyway, his reasoning was that he had managed them all those years for nothing. Plus, he feared Cher would step into all those deals he worked so hard to make, leaving him out (just as he was leaving Cher out now). That he did all the backstage work was not an insignificant or untrue claim. Cher admits he did all the heavy lifting behind the scenes. A fair deal would have been to pay him out for what would have been a manager’s salary.

But listen to me, trying to figure a way through for Sonny & Cher.

No biographer of Cher disputes that the contract was 95/5 Sonny and his lawyer. This doesn’t seem like a situation of Cher’s word against Sonny’s. But I suppose former biographers all could have taken Cher at her word and not researched the actual contract.

But here’s the thing: Cher received no money on the corporation’s earnings after its demise, leading us to believe…she did not, in fact, have an ownership stake in it. She finally got The Big House (no small thing but she says she had to buy it from Sonny) and a portion of the publishing royalties off Sonny & Cher songs, which Sonny will soon express disgruntlement about.

Cher says, “Sonny undoubtedly was responsible for making us who we were…[but] he could never have achieved that without my voice….He made me leave.” No Cher without Sonny.  But also, she says, no Sonny without Cher.

And it does sound like Sonny brought about the disruption he insists he feared the most. Sonny says their act had contracts out for 10-15 years (at Caesar’s Palace and on MCA). And, I think, it would have been amazing to see if they could have survived very bigly into the era of MTV. I doubt they would have. But in any case, Sonny says Cher told him she refused to honor the contracts.

Cher did call Fred Silverman and ask him not to pick up the TV show for another season, later insisting to him that she would never leave to do a solo show on an another network (there had been rumors), which is kind of an implicit negotiation to do a solo show on CBS. Cher told him she couldn’t work as an employee with no salary. This was around the time of their opening number “Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow” and Cher noting that his smile did not quite reach his eyes.

Sonny says, “I was not going to be the one to end it. But Cher refused to work anymore.” (For nothing, he forgets to say.) Two paragraphs later he says, “the week of the final episode of The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour, I filed for legal separation from Cher. I’d absorbed enough. I wanted it over.”

So much for “I wasn’t going to be the one.” Cher says he filed for divorce on 18 February but I think Sonny is right and that it was legal separation. Some editor should have looked that up as public record?

After the Friday taping, (Cher says it was in January 1974 and everyone was crying, her mom, sister and the crew, but Sonny doesn’t mention it), Sonny says they took separate jets to their final Houston Astrodome concert. Sonny says they earned $150,000 that day. He says they were the biggest, hottest act in the country at that time and they were playing what was the largest indoor venue in America.

The both agree the show was miserable, a rodeo venue that smelled like shit. Cher says it was a working rodeo with Elvis and the Jackson Five on the bill too. This is where her hair got caught in her dress’ zipper and Sonny had to cut it free with the scissors.  Sonny says Cher left the venue without a word to Sonny or their crew and he was left to say all the goodbyes and farethewells. Cher says all the people they worked with were loyal to Sonny.

Sonny says Cher filed for divorce on February 20 and claimed involuntary servitude. Sonny calls her a “characteristic victim” (says the complaining victim) Cher doesn’t dispute the divorce filing and says Sonny countersued for lost earnings and sued Geffen for interfering and asked for a temporary restraining order against him.

Cher says the news was “brutal” against her but Sonny continually complains that he was the one Cher successfully made out to be the villain. At the same time, Sonny was suing Cher for 14 million and Geffen for 13 million. Cher is just suing for divorce and contract freedom but Sonny keeps claiming for Cher it was all about the money.

The Big House, Part 2

Sonny also says Cher changed the locks on the house. But Sonny doesn’t mention that he kicked Cher out first and Cher no longer had the Malibu lease so she was homeless and moved in with David Geffen. (This was the era of Joni Mitchell being there all the time too while making Court and Spark).

Here is where Cher contradicts her own story when she says, “he never wanted that house. It was my dream house…” But back on page 268 (hardback) she says “Sonny wanted the house too.” And he did at least want to keep it from her. But by the time of his own memoir, he never liked that house. Cher was advised to return to the house and she says at that time she did change the locks and Sonny & Connie had to move into the St. Cloud house which “he made me sign over to him.”

In his diary, Sonny says “I have no good feelings left for Cher.” He finds it all confounding because “Cher is not a fighter” and he doesn’t believe Cher and Geffen are in love, that it’s a relationship of convenience and Cher has made him her pawn.” He sees Cher as, and I quote, “either a subservient Geisha girl or a killer.”

Wow.

Cher eventually sells The Big House fully furnished (a few months after Elijah’s birth) at a price “too low” and to a “carpet baron.” But she doesn’t say why she sells it.

Parenting Chas

Sonny says Chastity is confiding in him that she feels neglected because Cher has become a surrogate mom to Tatum O’Neal. Cher barely mentions Tatum O’Neal aside from one dismissive sentence. Cher says she and Sonny are civil when discussing Chas on the phone but Sonny says “Cher, in true passive-aggressive form, forced me to deal with Geffen in order to spend time with Chastity….So I wound up negotiating with Geffen over when I could and could not see my daughter.”

Cher says Chas was friendly with Geffen at first and then something changed and she took Sonny’s view of Geffen. Later,  Cher said, they both decided not to trash each other’s lovers to Chastity (if not in memoirs). Sonny said he applied for full custody, which Cher said “shattered me.” She had taken Chas to Hugh Hefner’s to play in the pool and Sonny used this as the reason. Cher says Hugh Hefner had known Chas her whole life. And it’s true, Sonny even booked Sonny & Cher on his Playboy show and had been pictured as a family at his house. So WTF Sonny.

In the end, Sonny got even less time from the judge than Cher has planned to give him. But they worked out a cordial deal between themselves.

In Chas’ three books, he has not weighed in extensively on this time period.

The Solo Shows, The Settlement & Gregg Allman

Now here is where reading Sonny’s memoir the first time I completely lost confidence in him as a reliable narrator. Sonny claims that in the summer of 1974 Cher announced The Cher Comedy Hour. No other Cher biographies mention this and neither does Cher in her memoir.

Sonny says Cher immediately went to work on a new series and it was “an instant smash,” that she was on the covers of People and Newsweek (it was Time, Cher wasn’t on the cover of Newsweek until the 1980s), and “women embraced her as a role model and everything I knew she was capable of began happening. I had no problem with Cher’s success.”

I actually believe this part. I think in some ways Sonny was Cher biggest fan and her worst friend and lover. And, as a big Cher fan (and a big Sonny & Cher fan), it makes me feel very torn about Sonny.

Sonny continues to lament that Cher cast him as the bad guy and that Cher basically “walked off with the franchise” and with it took away “his whole sense of identity.”

I believe that too.

But here’s where I lose sympathy with Sonny’s  chronology. He says his friends, manager, agent and just general people said ‘look at Cher’s successful solo show. There’s no reason why Sonny Bono cannot have a hit TV show, too.’ So in the summer of 1974 he says he presented a solo show to ABC with the pitch “if CBS was having success with the Cher variety hour…”

Sonny’s show debut was on August 14, 1974. He excerpts his diary to say “I have been knocked down more times…and now I’ll have to be judged all over again.” (No victim here.)

The big problem is that his show premiered and was canceled after 13 weeks in 1974 and Cher’s solo show didn’t even begin airing until February 1975 and this is because Sonny’s lawsuits kept Cher from working on anything new for almost the entirely of 1974. There was the Dark Lady album on MCA, her last album on that label, and some modeling work with Vogue.

So his whole long story is false. Cher’s show did not happen before his. How could he misremember that?

Of course Sonny’s solo show didn’t succeed, although it had the majority of the cast and crew of The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour and the same formula. It was just missing that one magical thing that was maybe worth at least 50%, the star power.

Cher said it was “a copy of our show” and had rotating female guests to stand in for her. She expresses sympathy that the network put him in an impossible timeslot at ABC, on Sunday against Kojak and Disney and that she didn’t want him to fail. She says she was backstage with Chas for the first taping of the show.

Sonny says, “It didn’t work for a lot of reasons.” (Another example of Sonny knows; he wasn’t caught not knowing.) “It was the only game in town, so I played it.” (A far cry from ‘why can’t Sonny Bono have a hit TV show like the Cher show that’s only happening in my head.’)

Cher said while Sonny’s show was on the air, CBS announced her new show would air on 8 pm Sunday’s against Sonny’s show which Cher thought was cruel to them both. But his show “was cancelled before mine began.” Which is the truth. And how Sonny could have published a different story is mind-boggling since it was an easy thing for any editor or fact checker to look up in any library’s reference section. (I was doing that in the late 70s, so I know how easy that was.)

This also confirms a childhood memory that I’ve always had that I could never explain, that for a minute the public thought they might have to choose between watching a Sonny show or a Cher show.

Anyway, then Cher tells the Average White Band overdose story.  She said Sonny was furious about it. But he doesn’t mention it in his book.

Sonny laments that at the cancellation of his solo show he was “alone now” and “it was a bitch.” He says by now Cher’s show was in its second season and that the first had done well. (But it hadn’t even started yet.) Connie is gone by the end of 1974 and he’s very down about his situation, says his diary. But then he tells a story about going to David Geffen and Cher’s 1974 Christmas party where he meets Raquel Welch and they leave the party to go to a movie together. They saw The Towering Inferno and left early because they both hated it.

Let’s pause to consider Sonny’s comments about Connie. “I was trying to get Con off my back. The only thing she did well was fight.” He blames the relationship on rebounding. He admits he’s still friends with Cher, (which is why he was invited and went to her Christmas party).

He then tells about his PR man Jay Bernstein (who “was better at launching Farrah Fawcett’s career than mine”). He takes his variety show on the road with Richard Lewis because David Brenner wasn’t available. Later Tim Conway opens for him and they become friends. But the show didn’t do well. He says Cher kept bashing him in the press. He says he’s not the dictator Cher said he was but he never mentions the whole El Primo thing and his own 1960s diary entries about “keeping her in line.”

And interestingly, it’s here where Sonny brings up the big fight they had after going out to see The Dirty Dozen. This is the fight Cher mentions occurring in the 1960s. He said it was their worst and funniest fight. He says the fight was about whether Cher had a killer instinct. Sonny thought she did. Cher didn’t think so. This led to a shouting match where Sonny commanded Cher to let him out and she did and then drove off “leaving me to walk 10 miles home.” His guy Denis picked him up. That was “the extent of his irate machismo she found necessary to criticize.” Oy vey.

In Cher’s version she let him out at Dead Man’s Curve (on Sunset Boulevard) and he was upset that she liked the movie and he accused her of being “sexually frustrated.” Cher attributed the fight in hindsight to Sonny’s tendency to force a riff so he could leave and go out on a date with someone else.

Sonny contends Cher never complained (except he has spent pages telling us that she always complained, that ingrate). He blames her for not communicating her unhappiness to him, (after complaining that she was always telling him she was unhappy). He admitted he knew she hated Vegas. But still Sonny chalks it all up to Cher’s villainization and lies.

He then goes into his own victimization: his ego was shot, he felt sorry for himself. But then he meets the model Susie Coelho in Palm Springs via Jay Bernstein.

He then talks about Cher’s new “peculiar relationship” with Gregg Allman and how “nothing attracted Cher like a mean, tough and potentially dangerous rock and roller.” (Uh…well, Sonny…err…are you describing yourself here too inadvertently?)

Another funny thing is that pages back Sonny says, “Geffen was exactly the kind of man Cher was attracted to—a powerful guy who took charge of her life and made things happen. To me he was a ruthless cutthroat.”

So…yeah. That’s how Cher likes ’em: dangerous and powerful and Sonny. Yeesh.

Cher says she and David Geffen had stopped living together in January of 2025 although they were still dating when she met Gregg Allman at the Troubadour one night.

Sonny and Cher kind of do describe her relationship with Allman similarly though in its “ups and downs.”  Sonny says it was “red-hot” to “non-existent” and that’s not too far from how Cher defines it too. Sonny admits Allman is a “gifted blues man” but also a “coked-out druggie” and a “southern cracker.” He uses the same hyperbole he used about Geffen to say Allman was “one of rock’s most volatile personalities.”

Cher has always insisted Allman was very gentle and sweet. So they disagree about that. But Cher admits “I had never been with a bad boy and he had a reputation as one quintessential bad boy.”

Sonny says Allman was “bent on self-destruction” and mentions the suicide of Jenny Arness, (a topic Cher avoids in her memoir). Sonny reminds us that Cher is not a drinker and was “as antidrug as I was.” He makes fun of her use of the name  “Gregory” instead of Gregg. Sonny thinks there’s some connection between “Greggory” and Cher’s father, John Sarkisian, who Sonny claims Cher did not say goodbye to before he passed away even though her biological dad had “cleaned up by then” because she “never forgave him for deserting her in childhood.” (Cher seems pretty ambivalent about Sarkisian in her memoirs but maybe there’s some kind of psychological connection there.) Sonny says he was happy that the new relationship pushed aside his “nemesis David Geffen.” With Geffen gone, Sonny says the two of them started chatting again and Cher was always asking him for advice.

Cher agrees that she would reach out to Sonny in a crisis and he knew how to handle the press.

Cher says Sonny called her up to invite her to appear on The Tonight Show hosted by George Segal as a surprise guest and they fell into their usual banter. This appearance helped Cher’s bad press around her Gregg Allman troubles. Sonny also helped with Chastity when Cher needed to spend time with Allman in a Buffalo rehab.

“As far as I was concerned, Cher and I were equal partners.” Sonny says he still “resented she was able to go on with her career, capitalizing on our past success and continuing to make millions while I was slogging my way across dime-sized stages for gas money.” That is a great sentence but it’s also ridiculous because he had the chance to keep making money with Cher if he let her actually make money on the act. He says he was 50% responsible for her stardom.

So is he saying he should get 50% of all her earnings in perpetuity? Now he’s all 50% guy.

The divorce breakdown according to Sonny: Cher got the 54-room Big House (although Cher claims she had to buy him out for that). Sonny got the 32-room St. Cloud house, which he says he had been renting out until he needed to move back into it with Connie. Cher was allowed to void all existing Sonny & Cher contracts but in exchange had to pay Sonny $750,000 in cash or work it off performing as Sonny & Cher, a combination of which she did in 1976 and 1977. Also, “she received 50% of all publishing royalties from the songs I wrote, checks she still cashes,” Sonny says as if that’s incredible.

But to think about it, the only money Cher received from 10 years of performing as Sonny & Cher (aside from gifts Sonny gave her when they were together, houses they lived in and shopping she did with their money), was nothing. The company structure put her in debt for 750k (according to Sonny; Cher says it was higher). The only money she ever made for herself from ten years of working as Sonny & Cher was from the publishing royalty agreement in the divorce, the very same one Mary Bono tried unsuccessfully to null and void a few years ago by arguing that a divorce agreement should die with the death of the spouse. Cher ended up having to sue for unpaid royalties (so at some point she stopped cashing those checks) and it’s unclear whether that was before or after Sonny died. He had no will and his estate was divided up between Mary Bono and his four children.

Here are two articles on the Mary Bono lawsuit:

The divorce was finalized on 26 June 1974 and 4 days later she marries Gregg Allman. From Cher we find out this was because she was pregnant but Sonny doesn’t know that yet. Sonny says her marriage and filing for divorce 9 days later was a “public joke.” Sonny says she confided to him in tears that Allman was mostly upset that she worked so much and was “no fun” and “never there.” This tells us more about the situation than we see in Cher’s memoir which kind of hedges around their issues.

Interestingly both Susie Coelho and Gregg Allman get not-nearly the ink you would expect they would as the next Sspouses to follow Sonny and Cher.

Sonny said Allman and Cher would come over and use his pool, which was more private than hers and that Cher would suntan there nude, which shocked Sonny. Sonny says, “Cher had become very liberal.” But then he admits he doesn’t really know her anymore and gets more information about her from People Magazine.

Sonny says Cher’s show took a dive in the ratings. Cher agrees with this and explains what happened. In the beginning Cher was a bigger hit than the Comedy Hour, according to Cher. The premiere had 21 million viewers and the show finally beat out The Wonderful World of Disney, which CBS had been trying and failing to do. But the show also had 2 censors that the Comedy Hour didn’t have, which made work difficult. But during the summer break, CBS played Joey & Dad in her timeslot and it bombed. So when she came back, her ratings fell from 23.3 to 7 and suddenly she was competing with The Six Million Dollar Man (which Sonny did a guest appearance on.) Also, Cher admits, David Geffen had left in aggravation over her relationship with Gregg Allman and without his contacts, they couldn’t get the A-list music acts anymore. Plus doing a show solo was too much.

Reuniting as Sonny & Cher

Sonny says Cher pitched a reboot of the Sonny & Cher show and he was incredulous but that Cher and Denis talked and worked things out. Sonny seems like he did it for opportunist reasons. He said Primtetime Network TV was “the kind of exposure I needed.” He said neither of them had made it solo (except Cher had kinda made it solo and would go on to make it solo, she just hit the first bump in the road). He said their friendship was like American and Soviet spies sitting on a beach; they could kill each other but they liked each other.”

Cher agrees that she asked Sonny back and he “instantly” said yes. She said Sonny negotiated with CBS the new deal and that it allowed Cher to repay Sonny for those cancelled contracts by way of the new show plus “road gigs.” He also had to square the pregnancy situation with CBS but Cher admits that Allman was “otherwise out of my life” at that time. Later, during show opening dialogues, they would mention him from time to time (as if he was backstage). Allman was at that time upset by the show’s press and that Cher was again working with Sonny. He told her he felt “heartbroken” and “made a fool of.”

Sonny talks about the the CBS press conference which he says occurred at Television City. Cher says it was the Beverly Wilshire.(It happened on 4 December 1975).

The new show premiered on 1 February 1976. Cher said it was one of the most watched programs in TV history at that time, up there with Who Shot J.R. (I remember hearing that statistic in other bios too but unfortunately there is not much online about this fact of TV history.) Cher says she thought the show was sharper and more relevant. They lost the mother-in-law jokes. She’s right. The second show is better. She said Sonny persuaded Harold Battiste into becoming their musical director. Cher said there was a lot of discussion about what songs they should sing as divorced people.

During the second show, Sonny said they got along better and he was sympathetic about Cher’s problems with Allman. He said their ratings were in the 20s but then CBS switched their time slot, which is what led to lower ratings and cancellation of the show. “Both Cher and I wanted to continue with the show.”

Cher agrees with this and talks about the last episode with a retrospective of 1960s Sonny & Cher singing “Baby Don’t Go,” which Sonny said he we wrote for her. Cher says they were on the road when they heard CBS wasn’t renewing the show. During the tour Cher said Sonny took pictures of Elijah learning to crawl down hotel hallways (just like Chas). Cher used a lot of Sonny’s photos and footage of Chas and Elijah on her first solo tour for Take Me Home and her Vegas/Monte Carlo shows. She has always always maintained Sonny was a good father and very good to Elijah.

Sonny says the show cancellation freed them to do concerts in huge arenas but Cher hated the road and got bored and sick, depressed and “insular.” She missed Elijah and at the halfway mark called off the rest of the tour and paid Sonny cash. And that was the end of Sonny & Cher, according to Sonny. Cher agrees she cut the tour short and paid her debts from her own pocket. She says she ended up paying him 1.4 million in cash, not $750,000.

Cher says after the tour, Sonny moved to Palm Springs where he would host BBQs and Cher would go sometimes with Chas. Sonny never ate, Cher said, just tasted things. Cher says he went through girlfriends and cheated on all of them. After one breakup he came to Cher tearful and gave her an apology in her kitchen. Sonny and this woman got back together, Cher says, and married and Chas was their bridesmaid. Cher calls the woman “Sarah” which, interestingly, is the name of one of Sonny’s girlfriends on The Love Boat (it’s that Deacon Dark episode where his girlfriend is deaf and he sings a sweet song to her at the end.) But Sonny’s next wife was named Susie.

Sonny says Cher was supportive Susie in Sonny’s life and he blames her for that, too, saying that “given her track record” he shouldn’t’ have listened. He says Susie and him were with each other for the wrong reasons and he was just lonely. (I’ve read Coelho’s book; she has nothing but good things to say about Sonny in it.)

Sonny comments on Cher’s albums around that time, Cherished (“a flop”) and Allman and Woman, Two the Hard Way (failed), and he dismisses her attempt to suppress her name on the Allman album cover as “something wrong” because she “hates to share the spotlight.” (Why would she even do the duet album then?)  Those two albums were probably the nadir of Cher’s 1970s output by they are the only post-breakup Cher albums he mentions: not Half Breed or Dark Lady (both which earned #1 hits), Stars or Take Me Home (which had another top 10 hit).  We’ll see later if he has anything to say about her 1980s comeback records.

Cher says it was her idea to drop her name because she wanted people to focus on the music and not her life in the tabloids.

Sonny says they became neighbors when Cher purchased the “Moorish mansion” (the Egyptian house) on Benedict Canyon Drive. Cher and Susie were friends and Cher would again sunbathe at their pool (nude again). It was here where Sonny first saw Cher’s large butt tattoo of the butterfly. He attributed that again to Cher trying to generate shock value and create controversy so she could then tell critics to “stick it.” Which, Sonny says in a moment of honesty, was “a trick she learned from me and I learned it from Phil Spector.”

Cher talks about going on tour with Allman in Japan and Europe but after he had a relapse she left the tour to return home to do final shows with Sonny in Hawaii. There Sonny had invited Bill Hamm back to the band to “mess with me,” Cher says. But they ended up reconnecting. It was here the Sonny & Cher act ends in Cher’s story. Of her experience with Allman Cher says she has to “learn things the hard way.”

Sonny talks about Chas’ school problems and finding out she was grades behind and this triggers his feelings of neglect (and particularly his neglect of Christy). But he doesn’t yet mention the dyslexic diagnosis.

In Cher’s version of the story, the principal called her to talk about Chas’ emotional problems and bad grades. Cher was shocked because Chas was always “level headed and responsible.” A teacher took Cher aside and told her to get Chas tested for a learning disability and they discovered Chas had dyslexia. Cher then suddenly understood her own learning disability.

And that’s the end of Sonny & Cher in the 1970s in both of their memoirs. Neither of them mention the Mike Douglas Show reunion they did in 1979, but there are two more public reunions ahead: Cher at the opening of Sonny’s La Cienega Italian restaurant Bono and their iconic reunion on Late Night with David Letterman in the fall of 1987. Sonny will still be with Susie Coelho when his restaurant opens but that relationship will end and he will meet 22-year-old college student and restaurant customer Mary Whitaker there. Those two had a 26-year age difference but can you remember anybody ever talking about that? No. Because they didn’t.

I forgot how much Sonny villainizes himself, unintentionally, in his book. Cher is the “killer” and he is the perpetual victim, taking very little responsibility for what he does. But, it all kind of came to roost for him anyway, as it often does. If he had been fun to work with (and if you read Murray Langston’s testimony, maybe only Cher thought he was fun to work with) then he would have continued to work in Hollywood, despite his divorce from Cher. Cher said extensive CBS audience research showed the public liked him. I don’t think it was evident that Cher’s comments to the press were the biggest issue for Sonny and his show-business career. Two record labels requested he stop producing Cher and he didn’t go on to become a TV or movie mogul despite all those meetings. By Sonny’s own admission, Cher wasn’t involved with any of that so how could she have ruined it?

That said, Sonny did a lot of brilliant things for Sonny & Cher and he did turn a raw, anxiety-ridden teenager into a glamourous superstar with an iconic career trajectory. And that’s not chump change either.

This level of detailed Sonny & Cher obsessing was immensely pleasurable. My little 7-yeard old self can die happy now.

Bad Faith A.I.

This is not a blog post I enjoy writing. I hate to criticize Cher fans or fans of anything actually. It seems so unfriendly. And we’re all in the same rickety boat here. But sometimes you have to talk about hard things.

I notice a fission forming between older fans and younger fans. And it’s going to be an issue with all fan bases before long, from Phyllis Diller fans to Madonna fans to Metallica fans.

Photos like the one below have been appearing on social Cher fan accounts over the last year or so:

It was attributed to Richard Avedon. But it’s a fake. It’s mimicking a series of photos Avedon took that ended up in Vogue and as the cover of Cher’s 1974 album Dark Lady.

Some A.I. Cher photos are so ridiculously not real, they’re almost funny. But these that replicate actual photo sessions are more concerning fakes because they confuse a fan’s idea of a real photograph Cher actually had taken and a deep fake.

Now if you are an older fan, one who has been staring at photos of Cher your whole life or maybe you are an expert in the outtakes of this particular photo session, seeing a photo like this will trigger cognitive dissonance. Is this really a lost outtake? What’s off with her arms there? Is that her real mouth? You can pick up on things that look “off” if you have more experience looking at Cher’s 1970s photos before this A.I. mess.

For this single photo I went to one of the Cher experts I know, Cher scholar Bruce who has seen the original contact sheet from this session. He agreed that the arms do not look like Cher arms here and the mouth is not a Cher mouth. He also said that Cher did two sessions with this dress. One was with a black cat with her hair pulled back and the other was with a black and white cat with her hair long and free. So the mashup of the black cat and the hair down is off as well.

This is an observable fake, but before long, A.I. will get better and smarter and come up with fakes where the arms and mouth do look like Cher’s and then only entertainment archaeologists or those who were there, people who “lived through it” will know the difference. And then eventually those people too will be gone and it will be a photo free-for-all.

I’ve seen fans point out A.I. fakes on social media and the publishers of those fakes responding with irritation. It’s not that they seem bothered by being fooled, but by being told they were fooled. There’s a “who cares” attitude among some younger fans. And I’ve seen older fans who’ve simply given up trying to keep the record straight. Already. And we’re only a year into this shit.

I think inexperienced fans get upset for two reasons:

First, people are not using their critical thinking skillz. (Look around you!) Social media and technology have eroded our thinking skills and then some of us are just lazy as a default-setting.

Secondly, people have stopped trusting expertise. There are two reasons for this. One, we all want to be the expert and are offended by the idea we’re not. Two, fascists want to lie so they throw shade on expertise (all the way back to saying “your grade school teacher was lying to you!”).

I can’t help but be reminded of Holocaust survivors here. Yes, I’m gonna take this back to the Holocaust. Everyone clutch their pearls.

There are already bad actors out there gaslighting survivors of all sorts of things, but particularly antisemitic, bad actors trafficking the idea that the Holocaust never happened. And as soon as all the Holocaust survivors pass away, these same bad actors will feel even more emboldened and they will gain traction with those who don’t know the difference between lies and the truth. They will more easily convince people it was just a story. And there will be no witnesses left.

In this situation, people in the future will not know who or what to trust and those people with lazy as a default-setting will trust any “strong man” who comes along. Fascism will gain even more traction to perpetuate even more atrocities. We’re actually living through it right now.

Deep fakes, even if they’re just photos of celebrities, encourage lies, especially in an environment of “who cares.”

Somebody either created this image for fun and it’s now fallen out of context or it was created in bad faith. Look around you! We’re already shooting each other in the streets over what is a lie and what is the truth.

And we’re all in trouble if you don’t care about the difference between lies and the truth…for all things great and small.

Here are some of the real things. The album cover (look at that mouth!):

One of the poster designs:

From Vogue:

Bruce also mentioned showing respect for the original artists “who put so much energy into creating an image” including the photographer, the make-up artist, the fashion designer and Cher herself. “A.I. takes away in one swift motion all that was put into it.”

This being one of the most iconic Cher images, it’s not hard to see why fans would want to toy around with it. But there are larger ramifications to doing so and then trying to pass it off as the real thing…just for fun.

Memoir vs. Memoir Part 2: the 1960s

This is the second blog post where we compare Sonny and Cher’s respective memoirs, And the Beat Goes On and Cher, The Memoir (parts one out now). In Part 1 we looked at how the books were organized and how they each talked about family history and childhood.

Now we’ll look at their lives together in the 1960s. Fair warning, this is going to be looong. Often when I start a blog I think, should this be an official Cher Scholar page or a blog? For instance, this is too long for a blog post but it also doesn’t rise to the level of a permanent page.

Oh crap. It’s even longer now.

Let’s get starting. First, reading these books side-by-side really shows the unusual complexity of this relationship. The second read, I feel Sonny is not as cold and calculating as I remember (although he is often factually wrong and rationalizing). He does some mea-culpas, especially when he’s about to tell a story where he’s going to look bad or sexist. These two disagree on many more “facts” than I thought they would and not over things you’d assume (like fights) but over who enjoyed what and when things even happened, like big important things, like their legal wedding.

I had to remind myself Cher is remembering her life back from the age of 77 in 2024 and Sonny, with the help of a diary, was remembering back from the age of 56 in 1991. Some of the disagreements are solely between them. We’ll never know what the true answer is if there even was one (what they said to each other in private moments). Then there are the disagreements maybe colleagues or family could resolve. And then there are those discrepancies anyone could have easily be researched and verified (like the name on a record label). Those are the most mind-boggling disagreements.

But it’s fascinating to me that for the most part they tell the same stories, they both think the same stories are important and life-defining but maybe they each remember different details about it. Aside from that it is interesting to note which crucial stories each one leaves out of their timelines (Cher doesn’t tell the “Laugh At Me” story and Sonny doesn’t say a word yet about Carol Kaye’s famous bass line).

We have to remember these are two separate people living separate but intertwined lives. Sonny is not perfect (and is often unlikable in Cher’s book and Cher is often unlikable in Sonny’s tale) but neither of them ever rise to the level of a big, bad villain.

The pages  dealing with how Sonny and Cher met up through the end of the 1960s were pages 57 to 178 in Sonny’s paperback book and pages 124-240 in Cher’s hardback book.

The Meet Cute
Sonny describes their “meet cute” with those words, like it was a RomCom. I was shocked by this. I only just learned the term “meet cute” from Substack and here Sonny was using it back in 1991! And then Cher uses the very same term in her memoir. Where the hell have I been?

It was November of 1962 and Sonny says they met at Aldos, “an Italian restaurant.” Cher correctly identifies it as a coffee shop above a radio station. It was Cher, Red and Melissa as a group meeting Sonny.

Sonny describes Cher as “gorgeous” and Cher comments on Sonny’s “amazing smile,” his beautiful hands and that he was wearing a black mohair suit and a mustard shirt with a white collar and cuban boots. Sonny thinks Cher had “character” but was “unreadable.”

They both mention Cher’s comment about Cher admiring Sonny’s wearing “black on black” but in Sonny’s version, Cher says this at the coffee shop and in Cher’s version she tells this to Sonny later when they go dancing.

Cher remembers that they went to the Red Velvet Club right after meeting at the coffeeshop and that Sonny was more interested in Cher’s friend Melissa (who was actually gay they both tell us). But in Sonny’s version they all four went to Club 86 (a lesbian club) the next night and it was Melissa and Cher poking fun of the boys by taking them there.

Their Past Histories
Sonny says Cher had been working at See’s Candy Store. Cher correctly identifies his first pseudonym as Don Christy (the pseudonym he muffed in his own history).

Sonny’s Apartment
“It wasn’t long” (Cher), three weeks (Sonny) before they ran into each other again when Cher spotted Sonny moving in to his apartment at the “sprawling complex” (Sonny) at Franklin and Vine in Los Angles. They both tell a story about looking through the windows of their respective apartments and seeing each other. After hearing about Cher’s living situation woes, Sonny offers to let her move in with him. “No funny business” (according to Sonny) but Cher has Sonny saying, “I don’t find you particularly attractive.” Sonny doesn’t mention this. He insists that front the beginning he felt something for Cher. He says she was gorgeous, “flawless except for a big nose, which I thought gave her character, something perfect-looking women lack,” and that she was statuesque, coquettish, alluring, streetwise, had an “intoxicating aura,” magnetism and “incredible strength” and that he was “already deeply smitten.”(Lots of good adjectives there.)

Sonny talks about Cher’s chronic fears how she needed to have a TV on all night to sleep and how hard it was for him to plug the TV into the bedroom for her because there was no outlet. Cher mentions needing the TV on all night too and that she was full of phobias, one being that she was afraid of silence. Cher says their relationship was like brother and sister/father and daughter at first.

Cher tells the bathing-suit story, that Sonny’s face was “crestfallen” when he saw her shape and then says, “my kind of body wasn’t in style yet.”  “God, you’re skinny,” she remembers him saying. Sonny mentions nothing about this or the other women he was dating while Cher first lived with him.

They both tell the story that Cher lied about her age and said she was 18 and then 17 but was really 16.

Georgia
I think where the memoirs probably differ the most is in their depiction of Cher’s parents, John and Georgia.

I don’t know if Sonny was too hard on Georgia or if Cher glossed over a lot. Cher admits her mother once bought her new clothes and then returned them in a fit of anger and Sonny tells this story as one of the stories about how Georgia was a less than great mom. Sonny describes her as a “pretty party girl” who “measured success by men and cars” and was very competitive with Cher. Cher glossed over their periods of not-talking or Georgia not talking to Cher as things she just can’t remember.

Although allegedly Sonny and Georgia got along off and on (even after the divorce), Sonny does not have much nice to say about Georgia. And his comments are mostly in defense of Cher. It’s possible he was upset with Georgia again when he was writing his memoirs. But you also get the sense that Cher has left a bit of drama out of hers. By her own admission, she could go long periods without speaking to her mother and this was all really vague in her memoir.

Of Georgia Sonny says, “she defined the phrase ‘a real piece of work.’” He admits she was “striking” and “beautiful” and had the attitude of a star.

He pulls no punches: “Motherhood wasn’t high on Georgia’s list of priorities. She liked men, parties, fast cars, and fancy restaurants. She preferred the high life. That she had a daughter, Cher, who turned heads on her own was almost too much for her to handle. There was room for only one beautiful woman in her life—Georgia. That explains the volatility of her and Cher’s relationship. It explains why Cher was so rebellious and anxious to get out of her mom’s house that she dropped out of school after the tenth grade and set out on her own. It was a long time before I heard Cher say anything nice about her mother.”

Wow. Cher doesn’t really take it to the level of volatility.

Another thing completely different is that Sonny says Cher’s biological dad worked for them when they were on the road as road manager. I vaguely remember a story Cher told about her Dad working with them and then trying to sell pictures of himself with Cher and Chastity to the press to support his drug habit and this is how Cher became estranged from him yet again. Sonny says her father died with him and Cher died not talking. Cher says nothing about this. Her comments about John Sarkisian are not terrible but not particularly fatherly either. More bemused and annoyed. She might mention his death and those later-day circumstances in her next memoir, when he dies.

Early Love
Sonny says their relationship was all a tease for the first few months until a kiss on the couch occurred after a conversation about Cher’s lesbian friend, Melissa. Cher doesn’t mention this, but recounts a significant kiss with him after seeing the movie The Balcony. This was after their forced separation by Georgia. They both tell this story of Georgia trying to separate them. Cher says it wasn’t until she was whisked off to Arkansas that Sonny began to have feelings for her.

At first, they slept in twin beds. How Sonny could have been such a ladies man with twin beds, I’ll never understand. But anyway, Cher says she would get scared and was allowed to crawl in bed with Sonny but he would say, “Don’t bother me.” Sonny says he didn’t “make a move” until one night he got into her twin bed.

They both agree this early time was some of their fondest memories of the relationship. Sonny recounts it as “two lost kids found direction in each other” and says somewhat poetically, “I wanted to be the boy who walked the fence to impress the girl. And Cher believed I could do that.”

Cher tells stories of doing art projects with Sonny and acting like kids.

Sonny mentions that their relationship was not very physical or sexual, but he keeps getting Cher pregnant somehow. The both talk about the pain of three early miscarriages which began before they started recording together. Cher admits she “went into herself” after those miscarriages. Sonny says they was hard on him, too, and because they couldn’t talk through it, Cher being so withdrawn. They both wanted to have children together. The first miscarriage was particularly heartbreaking for them and scary. During a later miscarriage, Cher says she was out shopping with her friend Joey when problems started and that she had the miscarriage in their bathroom. Sonny was at a Mohamad Ali fight that night, Cher says, and she spent the next day in the hospital. Cher doesn’t mention a concert date in Minneapolis that Sonny was obligated to perform without her or, according to Sonny, the promoter would sue. Sonny tells the story and how horrible he felt about it. “Shitty” he says. Cher said each miscarriage was worse than the last and she dreaded talking to her friends about them, seeming to support Sonny’s theory that she withdraws when in pain.

They both talk about their non-legally-binding bathroom wedding. Cher says their rings were from a souvenir shop on Olivera Street. Sonny says they were from and Indian souvenir shop at Sunset and Vine.

Sonny describes Cher as often very withdrawn and elusive. He says she would go into a “black hole” for days. But also that she was smart instinctually, just lacked education, poise and confidence. He says her only job had been at the candy store. (He either forgets or doesn’t know about Robinson’s department store.) He says she didn’t become the independent, “who gives a damn” woman until after their divorce, after she continued to work on herself. But then Cher calls Sonny the most private person she’s ever known. “He hid so much of himself.” Cher says that after the very beginning, “he never asked much about me.” She feels he became less and less interested in her as a person and that she started to feel like a shadow. Sonny said Cher was “a tough read”, “impossible to read,” that there was a pattern of her not wanting to talk to him. He says Cher had “the grace, mystery and independence of an ally cat.”

They both agree Cher could dance. Cher says Sonny got jealous of the fact she was a better dancer and didn’t let her go out dancing anymore. Sonny says, “people were always paying compliments to Cher about her dancing.” Sonny admits he was insecure.

Cher remembers every house they lived in, the style and sometimes décor (and sometimes about Sonny’s decorating skills). Sonny mentions a few, but not each one.

Hero Worship
Cher admits she stared to hero worship Sonny but the feeling wasn’t mutual. Sonny says “there was no question that Cher had stars in her eyes, [about Sonny] but for the life of me, I didn’t know what she had in her head.”

Christy Bono
Cher contends that Sonny was a great Dad with Christy and that she visited once in a while and they would all hang out together. Sonny laments often in his book that he was not a good Dad with Christy and that he didn’t give her enough of his time. He says this over and over again.

Specialty Records
They both tell a story or two about Little Richard and the day Sonny brought home the Cadillac. They both mention the crappy Chevy Manza Sonny was driving. Sonny talks about creating the song “Needles and Pins” with Jack Nitzsche and having Jackie DeShannon and The Searchers record it.

Working With Phil Spector
They both have a “working with Phil Spector” section. Cher says he wasn’t “unstable yet” but alternatively moody and funny. “You had to read the room,” Cher says and that if he was mad he would act like he didn’t know you. Sonny confirms this (in his story about the end of their working relationship). Cher says she could give as well as she got with Phil Spector and that this could irritate Sonny (who was the only one of them who was officially employed there). Cher claims Spector told Sonny that she “was funny and showed spirit.” In Sonny’s version, Spector and Cher had “no chemistry” and that Spector was jealous of Sonny’s relationship with Cher.

Sonny starts his Spector session by saying he wanted Spector to produce Cher. “I was convinced that this skinny teenage girl with bad skin, a big nose and an unusually deep voice was star material.” Is he being ironic? No, I think he’s serious. But what happened to “gorgeous”? Sonny spent more time with Spector than Cher did.  Whenever Spector was lonely, it seems he would call Sonny to hang with him in silence. And Sonny alludes to “dark and troubled thoughts,” a “troubled mind,” “odd behavior” and “an explosive temper.”

Sonny says Phil Spector called him his “funk.” Cher says Spector never considered Sonny much of a singer and called “Cher, Sonny, Gracia, Fanita and Darlene” collectively his “funk element.” Who is right here? Maybe Darlene Love could weigh in on this one. I have a feeling I know what she’s gonna say.

Speaking of which, Sonny and Cher both agree that the only person Phil Spector took crap from was Darlene Love, who Sonny says had “the balls of a buffalo.” But only Sonny talks about how racist Phil Spector was to his own wife Ronnie Spector, the reported separate toilets and dinnerware he made her use at home and how he locked her in her bedroom for days. Sonny says in public he lavished her with attention but not in private.

They both tell the same story about leaving for a hamburger one day without Spector’s permission but in Cher’s story Sonny wasn’t with them and was just as angry when they returned. In Sonny’s version, he took the girls and it was Spector who was furious.

Sonny mentions the Wrecking Crew but not by that name (the documentary which coined the term hadn’t come out for decades yet) but Cher calls them that.

They both talk about recording “You’ve Lost that Loving Feeling” (Cher calls it a “once in a lifetime song.” and the time Leon Russell came in drunk and belligerent which was a showstopper at the time because he was normally so quiet and shy.

Early Sonny & Cher
They both agree that Cher was terrified to sing alone. Sonny says she would cry if asked to do a solo and would wilt (his word) when asked to sing. Cher doesn’t dispute this. She says her voice would get locked up from stage fright.

The both tell the story of Sonny finding Sonny’s cheap, broken piano. Cher has him finding it at a pawnshop for $85 and “I still have that ugly thing.” Sonny talks about a $100 pawnshop diamond ring he found for Cher but not a piano at a pawnshop. Sonny says the $50 piano came from a used furniture store. But then Sonny says it was the “85-dollar piano” when he introduces the song “I Got You Babe” on both of their Live albums.

One: “7 years ago they had three things: an $85 dollar piano, a philosophy and each other.”

Two: This is in 1973 and by this time they are separated but not divorced. They are still working on the TV variety show together and are publicly together but they are living in separate wings of The Big House. In this second intro, it’s “ten years ago” and now they had a brass bed Sonny mentions (from a junk store or a drug store). Cher talks about this bed in her memoir.  It was from an A-frame house they rented on Sycamore Trail behind the Hollywood Bowl. The shower leaked and the rug “was kind of hatchet,” Cher says. The bed was from a secondhand store and they thought at first it was an iron bed. But it was just filthy and when they started cleaning it together Sonny said, “Cher, I think this is brass!”

“Excited, we ran out and bought about twenty boxes of steel wool Brillo pads, scrubbing it all night long until it was gleaming. That damn bed was brass and it was beautiful.” Sonny probably invokes it here to remind Cher of the talismanic power of this lucky object  and the excitement of their early romance.

Cher says Phil Spector didn’t think Cher had a commercial voice. She said Sonny liked the movie Cleopatra and decided on their first moniker should be Caesar and Cleo. Sonny agrees with this story. Cher said she cut his hair into that Caesar style. She said Sonny learned from Spector that b-sides should be instrumental numbers with silly titles so as not to detract from the a-side. And that Sonny inserted the “corny dialogue” in their version of “Love Is Strange.” The b-side was “String Fever” by S. Christy. Arranged by Jack Nietzsche. Sonny talks about recording “The Letter” (which Sonny says “bombed…our families didn’t even buy it”) and “Love is Strange” with Harold Battiste arranging. This was late 1963, Sonny says ashe talks about the “bare-bones” record making he learned from Spector. They both talk a bit about Sonny’s friendship with Jack Nietzsche.

Cher talks about their early gigs on the “DJ circuit” at rolling rinks and bowling alleys looking like Dick and Dee Dee or April and Nino. Very clean cut. Sonny is more specific: their first gig was a roller rink; their second was a bowling alley; there was no third gig.

They both agree Sonny wasn’t a genius songwriter but Sonny wrings his hands over this more than Cher does. Sonny goes into his feelings of imposter syndrome, mostly because he was surrounded by geniuses like Jack Nietzsche, Leon Russell, Brian Wilson and Phil Spector. Plus Bob Dylan and the Beatles were everywhere. In Cher’s memoir she talks about how even so, Sonny could make it happen and that was one of his superpowers in a way. Sonny says he had heard once that Cher said his songs “sound like shit until they’re unraveled” and that he often had trouble communicating his songs to Cher and others.

Cher said her early stage fright was torture. They both talk about her locked voice and resistance to walking on stage.

Sonny is definitely smarting from Cher’s later charge in portraying him as a “controlling Svengali.” In Cher’s defense, I actually think that part comes later in their relationship. Sonny feels Cher always portrays herself as the victim. By the way, Cher took great pains not to do this in her memoir. And Sonny talks about all the pressure he was under to launch their careers, although he admits Cher never complained about anything. He could just sense it, she had big goals. They both agree Cher was happy to let Sonny “chart their course.” And Cher looks back and can sympathize with his moods and stress levels during times they were struggling. They both agree they felt like it was “the two of them against the world.”

They both talk about recording “Ringo, I Love You.” (Cher’s first solo but not her first recording as I had always assumed.) They both agree Phil Spector loved the Beatles. At least Cher gets her pseudonym right: Bonnie Jo Mason. Sonny misremember it as Bobbie Joe Mason.” (Yesh, Sonny. Another thing you can look up!) Cher says they recorded it at Gold Star Studio B, “the size of my car.” Cher says she cringes at the early records and how nasal she sounded. She blamed teenage allergies. She talks about an album of covers they made for Liberty Records. “Nothing came of that.” (Where is it??) Sonny doesn’t mention any of this.

Cher talks about how ‘devastated’ they were when the first records went nowhere. How it made Cher stop singing around the house and then Sonny stopped working with Phil Spector. Later she says Sonny felt it “was time to leave” almost as if it was Sonny’s idea. But Sonny actually details his last phone call with Spector and a disagreement they had about the changing music scene that Spector didn’t want to acknowledge and how the Beatles were changing everything, Sonny says, “the Beatles ended Spector’s reign,” how this led to his being immediately frozen  out, if not actually fired.

Cher talks about Sonny’s relationship with DJ Sam Riddle from his promotion days. Sonny is pretty honest about what that “promotion” entailed which was a lot of ways of describing payola.

They both talk about meeting Brian Stone and Charlie Greene, with similar assessments of their characters. In fact, they both start new chapters at this juncture. chapters 7 and 11 respectively. Cher equates them to characters like in the Tony Curtis movie, Sweet Smell of Success. Cher says they re-energized Sonny and were “a match to our fuse.” They both talk about living with them for a while to save money. Sonny talks about Greene and Stone helping them get their Atco contract with Ahmet Ertegun.

Cher talks about her “vocal freeze” during the recording of “Baby Don’t Go” and they both talk about Phil Spector’s financial investment in it.

Sonny & Cher both talk about meeting The Rolling Stones. They both talk about the bus trip to their first Los Angeles concert but Sonny doesn’t mention Cher almost getting pulled out of the bus by a female crazy fan. They both say the Stones wanted to stay with them but that they didn’t have any furniture. (I thought that actually happened and I envisioned Mick Jagger sleeping on their floor. Turns out Sonny imagined that too and that’s why he said no.) In Cher’s version, they all met in a lobby of a hotel where the Stones were staying and they were innocently flirting with her, which Sonny didn’t like. In Sonny’s version, the desire to crash with them came by phone. Sonny contends he never met them until the bus trip concert. But maybe all this happened on the same day.

Cher tells the story of Mo Austin signing them twice by mistake but Sonny doesn’t mention this. Cher talks about the role Bridget and Colleen played in their early style and how they lived in Sonny and Cher’s garage apartment. Sonny doesn’t talk about them at all. Cher admits she dressed up Sonny in outrageous clothes first because he was already dressing experimentally, that she actually wasn’t brave enough at first to wear the looks she persuaded him to try. Sonny doesn’t talk much about clothes.

First Fame
Things started looking up when Cher made “All I Really Want to Do” on Imperial. Sonny says that Imperial wanted just Cher. This is different than all the stories of Sonny masterminding two recording contracts, one for Cher and one for the duo.

Cher talks about how Sonny wrote “I Got You Babe” and how she didn’t love it at first. Sonny remembers that she did like it and claimed she was going to keep that piece of cardboard it was written on forever. (She didn’t.) Sonny claims they both knew it would be a hit. Cher says it was only when they were recording it in the studio, when people were coming around to find out what they were doing, that she knew it was good. It almost sounds like she still isn’t fully convinced.

Cher says it was released as a single. Cher is wrong about this because Ahmet Ertegun fought for “It’s Gonna Rain” to be the a-side against Sonny’s wishes. It was Sonny’s behind the scenes promotion work with Sam Riddle (again) that got “I Got You Babe” played instead.

At this time, Sonny & Cher appeared in the movie Wild on the Beach to sing “It’s Gonna Rain” (giving weight to that being the single) and Cher says Sonny was convinced that this song “would cash in” and that he was also fascinated and absorbed in learning from the movie’s director. Sonny doesn’t mention this movie experience at all.

They have dramatically different London stories. Cher tells a very simple story that Mick Jagger and Jack Good ((of Shindig) both advised them to go to England. She says they hocked their furniture to go. She tells the story about the London Hilton turning them away as soon as they arrived and their being reporters outside wanting to talk to them about it (that’s the suspicious part), but she doesn’t believe this was a set up because the man checking them in didn’t seem that good of an actor. Later she says when they did the song “See See Rider” on her first solo album, they changed a verse to reference the London Hilton experience.

Cher talks about loving her trip and this being one of her favorite times with Sonny, shopping and being suddenly famous. She says Stone and Greene did plant a rumor about there being a Saudi Prince offering Sonny money for Cher (sounds like a Tom Cruise movie plot and also makes me think they would try that hotel trick). She talks about giving her first autograph there in London. In Sonny’s book he says she’s been practicing that autograph and Cher admits in her memoir she had been practicing it since she was about 11 or 12 years old. Chersays the food wasn’t great but everything else was.

Cher says it was when they returned to America, that “I Got You Babe” had become a hit there. It was like they returned as barnacles on the ship of the British Invasion.

Sonny’s chain of events is very different. According to him the song took off “like a rocket” to number 1. He does tell a story about being denied a room in a hotel but he puts that happening in New York City at The Americana Hotel and that there was a verbal altercation between the desk clerk and Stone and Greene, not Sonny. But Cher has a definite memory of Sonny taking a photograph of the registration book. Sonny & Cher had to stay at Ahmet Ertegun’s house, Sonny says. (Later he tells a stories about a few libertine parties at Ertegun’s place where S&C felt out of place, including one Thanksgiving that was where a model threw up all over the turkey). Sonny also does not believe it was a publicity stunt. Sonny doesn’t believe it because he didn’t think Greene and Stone were that smart. “All I can say is, they should have been so clever,” he says. Ok, I believe it then. (Sonny is so convincing. See?)

THEN he says they went to London, “which was the center of everything hip in music,” he reminds us. From Sonny’s telling it that the song was Top 10 there before they went to London and he even remembers pandemonium for them at LAX when they left, that the airport “ground to a halt” due to them. Sonny says the London Hilton also refused them a room, along with any other hotel in town, and so they again stayed at a flat owned by Ahmet Ertegun. Cher remembers them retreating to a kind of divey “pre-war” hotel.

Sonny also has a completely different memory about London’s affect on Cher. He says Cher was “scared of foreign countries” and that it was “a control issue.” (Isn’t Sonny the one with the control issues?) He says Cherhated the entire experience and couldn’t even muster the enthusiasm to go shopping.

He goes on to talk about Cher’s theory that she wouldn’t live past 30, her general hypochondria and fatalism. This struck me as sad because Cher talks about real viral infections like mono that took her down during this period and how kind Sonny always took care of her when she was sick in these early days and how that kind of set up their whole relationship.

In Cher’s story, her first taste of American fame was the hoards of screaming fans (5k) at JFK upon their return. She says they were broke when they left LAX and they came back rich. She notes signing her first autograph there.

These are huge differences, not trivial ones. Where were they when the song finally broke? Cher claims Georganne was on the London trip too. Maybe she can give her two cents on Cher’s mood in England and what happened when. Could one or both of them be conflating different memories. Entirely possible. Memories are famously unreliable.

Anyway, they both agree on how much work they had to do while they were in London: tv shows, interviews, trips to mod clubs. Both mention meeting Rod Stewart, Sandie Shaw and the group the Small Faces (who Cher says the Rolling Stones introduced them to). Cher remembers also meeting Dusty Springfield,  John Lennon and Paul McCartney. But Sonny says they did not meet the Beatles that trip. He says there was a rumor Lennon hit on Cher at a club but the Beatles were all off promoting their new movie Help!.

Sonny says he hired a documentary crew to follow them around to make movies of their songs. He says it cost him 35k but that all the footage was lost somehow and he still grieves about it. Cher doesn’t mention this at all.

Cher calls this time “crazy ass crazy” and “madness” and Sonny calls it a big blur. They both say they were dazzled by fame and were glad they became famous together, to experience it with each other.

Cher does mention Hampshire House Hotel off of Central Park but only that they stayed there after they get back from London. They both tell the story about Cher doing some expensive shopping during that stay. Cher says they finished the album Look at Us at a NYC recording studio. She also mentions a party at Ahmet Ertegun’s but focuses more Ertegun’s his wife than the decadence of the party.

Cher says that around this time Sonny got his nose job due to a deviated septum (from all the fist fights).

Cher says it was the “suit people” who found out they weren’t really married and came up with a press release about a secret Tijuana wedding in October of 1964. It was a lie they both agree. Sonny talks about the “fabricated wedding in Mexico.” He says they weren’t able to wed in 1964 because his divorce to Donna wasn’t finalized yet. Cher talked about postponing the wedding until she was 18.

Sonny says then the label Reprise reissued older songs, like “Baby Don’t Go” which went to #8 US and  #11 UK and then “Just You” which went to #20 US.  Then later it was “But You’re Mine” (#15 US and he doesn’t mention it but it also went to #17 UK), Vault reissued “The Letter” (75), Sonny mentions “The Revolution Kind” going to #70 and “What Now My Love” (misspelled “What Now, My Love”) going to #16 in 1966, He’s correct on those numbers, according to Wikipedia, except for “What Now My Love” which according to Wikipedia went to #14.

Cher talks about this time they had 5 songs in the top 20 at the same time Cher says and that only Elvis and the Beatles had done. This was probably from all the labels they had been on re-releasing old songs to cash in on them.  (I was in the middle of researching this with cher scholar Robrt Pela but we never finished). They both talk about appearing on The Ed Sullivan Show, who Cher says mentioned they had 5 songs in the top 50 (see, here is where it is all confused). And Sullivan muffed her name, called her cheer.

Sonny didn’t like being called a hippie. He is still upset Nancy Sinatra “of all people” called them clowns. (This is ironic, if true, since her biggest hit was with Sonny’s song). They both mention their agents at William Morris wanting them to change their look. They didn’t like being called fakes. Sonny maintains they were who they were.

Which honestly feels like a middle-of-the-road kind of place. They liked looking the way they did but socially did not fit in with the debauchery of the early rock scene. They were outsiders from the beginning, outsiders from even the circle of affected outsiders. This has carried through for Cher even through her induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

But people treated them like a freaky fad. Cher talks about this too. They were perceived as a novelty act. And clothes were the thing that could be changed so could they please change it? They were not protest singers, Sonny admits, although he did dip his writing toes in that water. It was a bad fit, he admits. But Sonny says they did identify with the culture of peace, love and idealism, humanity and harmony, They believed Dylan when he said the times were changing. But their act was non-threatening, polite. They were straight arrows (Sonny’s words) and married (ostensibly). Well, on that point they were kind of fake.

Sonny says he was often called a fag for his cloths and hair. “Some idiots tagged us as commies,” he says which tells you a lot about Sonny’s politics. (Like of all things!)

Then Sonny tells the “Laugh at Us” story about Martoni’s Italian restaurant, the “industry watering hole.” where managers, promoters and A&R guys would coagulate. Sonny says he saw Sam Cooke there the night he was murdered. Sonny describes the altercation between Sonny and Cher and some college football players eating at a table nearby “with red, meaty faces and buzz haircuts.” Sonny remembers Cher asked them to “please cut it out” and that they responded with “whatcha gonna do to us, baby?” (Ok, that is pretty bad.) Sonny said he had a poker friend, a mob friend named Tony Ricco, (are we in the song “Copacabana” right now?) went over and said something about brass knuckles and they left but that the end result of it all was the owner asking Sonny and Cher to never to come back because trouble always came with them, which hurt their feelings considerably. Sonny went home and wrote the song went to #10 (US) and #9 (UK). “Cher loved it,” Sonny says but Cher doesn’t even tell the story.

They both agree on Cher’s love of shopping and how much home ownership meant to both them (hardly communist, he has a point). They both mention buying the Encino house and Georgia’s connection to the neighborhood but Sonny read it more as competition between the two of them. Cher never mentions the competition thing but that the house was near where her mom once lived with Gilbert. She said it wasn’t the house of her dreams because it was in the valley and she liked living where the action was. She was still pretty excited about it, she says. She says that after they moved in “Mom and Gee” moved near them, a few blocks away but that Cher only visited their house a few times. It was now when Cher purchased two of everything in fear of future poverty (and she later says how useless two of everything is when you’re broke again). She talks about the Encino neighborhood bike paths that Sonny would explore with his new dirt bike (behavior as seen in the movie Good Times). In fact Sonny admits that Cher’s shopping was all about clothes (Cher tells the story of being insulted on Rodeo Drive and then buying four copies of an outfit in every color….emotional spending) and Sonny’s “vice” was motorcycles and cars. So he was spending money too.

Cher talks about the Sonny & Cher clothes line at Gordon and Mark of California. Sonny doesn’t mention this. She talks about the Dear Cher column in 16 Magazine but she mistakenly attributes it to Teen Beat. Sonny also doesn’t mention this.

They both tell the story about playing for Jackie Kennedy in 1965 in NYC. Someone was throwing a party in her honor and she asked for Sonny & Cher to play. Cher doesn’t talk about how bad their set was, like Sonny did. She only mentions eating dessert with her (they weren’t invited to dinner) and the ladies withdrawing while the men smoked cigars and that this is where she met Diana Vreeland who told her she had a pointed head and that “Richard must see you.” Enter Cher’s relationship with Vogue and Richard Avedon. Sonny doesn’t mention any of the Vogue stuff. Cher says that Jackie told them “I Got You Babe” was one of the family’s favorite songs. The children would sing along. Sonny gave her kids Catholic medals. Jackie said Sonny looked “almost Shakespearean” and after that “he was putty in her hands.”

In Sonny’s version he also remembers the catholic medals he brought for the kids but that they were both very intimidated by the guests there and he interprets this event as “their first fall from the spotlight” because they couldn’t be themselves. Sonny does remember Jackie’s haircut compliment but only that it “seemed complimentary” but mostly just reminded him Sonny and Cher were “just players to her.” Again, they were seen as “an amusing clown act.” Sonny says the sound system destructed and he calls it “an embarrassing fiasco.” Is he conflating this with the later-Princess Margaret performance?

Only Cher tells the story of playing for Princess Margaret in Los Angeles at the Palladium. (The events are like bookends of royalty). According to Cher, this was the fiasco performance, not the Jackie Kennedy one. She says they were shocked to have been invited because “the old guard” thought they were freaks. But they didn’t feel like they could say no. Cher says, “it boggled the imagination how much that wasn’t our audience. The best that could happen is we’d live through it…the whole event was a fiasco. It started late, the princess had laryngitis, Frank Sinatra dropped out…there was no stage , the acoustics were so bad that, coupled with the sound problems, we performed terribly.” Peter Bogdanovich was there and reviewed them by saying they howled like coyotes. “When Princess Margaret asked for the sound to be turned down due to a headache, the engineer then accidentally cut the mic and interfered with what we could hear….it was like a bad dream we couldn’t get out of.”

They both mention the Hollywood Bowl show with the Mamas and the Papas and the Righteous Brothers except that Cher correctly notes the fourth act was Jan & Dean and not Dean Martin. (Sonny. Mr. Cher had a good laugh imagining the concert that included both the Mamas and the Papas and Dean Martin.) Cher says that this show sold out in 24 hours. She tells of her proud mother and uncle attending…sounding not so jealous. In Sonny’s version they did the group show and then latter sold out the bowl in 24 hours by themselves.

Sonny says that around this time The Rolling Stones recorded “Shut Up, Sit Down” a song he had written with Rowdy Jackson. He is very wrong about this. There is no song called “Shut Up, Sit Down” but a song that has that lyric in it on the album Out of Our Heads. The song is called “One More Try” and it was on the U.S. album release, written by Mick Jagger and Keith Richards. The Sonny Bono/Roddy Jackson song on that same album  is called “She Said Yeah.” Sigh. He got the wrong song, the wrong name of the wrong song and his co-writer’s name wrong. And it was look-up-able. (Oh, and search Sonny on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roddy_Jackson)

Sonny says the summer of 1966 they were everywhere and it was an electrifying time. His family no longer make jokes about his ambitions and he had delivered on his promise to this “scared, confused, skinny girl.” Sonny says when they looked at each other during performances, the love was real and never stronger or deeper. But the second studio album didn’t do as well (#35 US, #15 UK) and Sonny felt he should have been more worried. Sonny talks a lot about the pressure he felt during this time. He, just like Cher, was afraid they would lose everything. Cher would say things like she wanted them to be really big (bigger) and Sonny felt it was never enough. The Kinks and The Who were changing music but he couldn’t change (just like Phil Spector couldn’t change a few years earlier). There were The Doors, psychedelic experimentation and drugs. They were squares, no longer hip, Sonny says. His solo album Inner Views was his attempt to experiment. But Sonny didn’t really want to be rebellious. He says he sometimes hears radio plays of “Pammie’s on a Bummer” but he calls his own song moody and contrived. Cher says she was “crazy about” Led Zeppelin, Hendrix, Cream and Eric Clapton but Sonny was the boss so…

Sonny insists he always believed in Cher’s star power and her having a solo career and never felt any competition with that. He calls her pure magic in front of an audience. “No one had to tell me Cher was hot” but then he says of the imbalance of their talent, “that was the hand I was dealt with and I tried to play it as best I could.”

Cher was easy to write for, Sonny says, when talking about the song “Bang Bang” and he lists the Wrecking Crew members who worked on it but not by that name: Tommy Tedesco, Glen Campbell, Hal Blaine and Leon Russel. He says Cher didn’t like this song but he crows the fact she still plays it live. He says it was Cher’s first million-selling solo single. He says he wrote it while riding down Sunset Blvd in his Astro Martin convertible. Sonny says this time the KHJ LA program director had to be convinced but the song went to #2 (US) and  #3 (UK). Cher doesn’t mention the song in her memoirs, (Eee!! It’s probably the most covered Cher song of all time), but I remembered her referring to it somewhere last year….maybe in the memoirs press. Turns out it was from the French radio interview (the song did well there according to the DJ). Cher says there “it was such a strange song. We loved it. It sounds like it shouldn’t be a relationship song. It was a strange take on love.” “

They both talk about Cher giving Sonny 12 leather-bound journals. Cher says it was at Christmastime and Sonny remembers it as a 33rd birthday present. Cher said it was to help his moods and Sonny credits it for helping him start to think about his life which in turn helped him with his memoirs (he mentions it at the beginning and sprinkles entries from it in his book) and they both agree Sonny took to it, staying up at night to write in it and giving it to Cher to read and write in too. They both agree it was then used to communicate with each other. Cher felt like her opinions would land better in the diary than they would face to face. There’s a note on his 33rd birthday about how he’s never without Cher and that she’s truly a star and his stabilizer, his generator and his reason. Cher says she doesn’t remember this entry but someone showed it to her from “a book he published.” I assume she means his memoir excerpt is not in that book. It could be from when Mary published Sonny’s diary entries in People Magazine after his death. (I have a copy on the way.) Cher said she never would have guessed he felt that way.

First Irrelevancy
Sonny also admits that fame did a number on his head, that he lost sight of his goals, his identity and he started to distrust managers and advisors. Cher talks about how Sonny took on managing their act by the end of the decade and how stressful that was for Sonny.

Making the movie Good Times felt like the beginning of the end to this reader.

Cher says Sonny had poker and clam-eating contests with his friends which included William Fredkin (who Cher says was a documentary film maker at the time) and Francis Ford Coppola (who Cher says was a UCLA student at the time). Sonny says Colonel Parker advised their agent that they should do a film like the Beatles were doing, a cheap movie with an album to support it. Sonny agrees Friedelin was a poker buddy and became the movie’s director.

Sonny says his songwriting wasn’t breaking any new ground and he wanted to make a movie but that Cher was disinterested in the movie idea.

Now here they diverse biggly again around Cher’s love of acting. Both agree she wasn’t enthused about Good Times at first, just as depicted in the movie. Sonny thinks she never was but Cher says she eventually got into it. She just thought her first acting role would be in a serious movie, like the role in the movie Chastity.

Sonny doesn’t think Cher really wanted to be an actress. “She wanted to sing…was always singing,” Sonny says. He says she wasn’t really into her acting classes with Jeff Corey. This could be his rationalization for asking her to quit them. Cher insists in her memoir that she didn’t think she would ever be a viable singer (due to her low register) and that it made her very sad to give up acting classes, but she did it for Sonny. Sonny says “she was ambivalent about the craft and never showed much interest in attending classes.” In reconstructed dialogue with Cher, Sonny tells her half the times she skips class.

Sonny believed her mother was pushing the acting lessons on her. And Georgia, Sonny says, wasn’t happy about her quitting them. And this, Sonny says, ended all three of them into a session with Georgia’s therapist. (This almost sounds like a tug-of-war over control of Cher.) Cher describes loving the classes and feeling like she was doing well in them, getting good feedback from Jeff Corey and we was very excited when she him in a movie. Considering her late 1970s and early-80s devotion to launching an acting career, you kind of believe Cher on this one. But then again, we saw her drifting away from a movie career at the turn of the century in exchange of big concert tours.

In any case, Cher agrees she was wary of those Beatles’ novelty films. “Sonny decided he was a filmmaker now,” Cher says, and hired a screenwriter. Sonny says his name was Nichols Hymes but the title card of the movie and Wikipedia list the name as Nicholas Hyams. But then Sonny fired them and took over the screenwriting with Fredkin they both mention. Cher says one of the issues was Sonny’s calls for urgent, middle of the night script conferences. Sonny’s version is that the writer’s pitch was good but his final script was crazy and surreal.

Cher was frustrated by the “endless” discussions. Cher admitted the movie was funny, albeit stupid and corny and describes her roles as Tarzan’s Jane, a Sherriff’s showgirl and a gumshoe P.I.’s moll. her says the movie was backed initially by Paramount and once Sonny got the funding, which Cher didn’t think he would, she felt “oh shit” I have to do something now. She felt huge because she had gained 15 pounds on birth control but loved meeting and talking to George Sanders. She also liked her experience at Africa USA Wild park. The most difficult part was being murdered with blanks while playing Brigid O’Shaughnessy in the Sam Spade spoof. She ended up walking off the set saying “Screw you, Billy” after they all dismissed her suffering and told her to “man up.” She also said the lion cub almost mauled Sonny in the Jungle skit. She said her mother was really proud of her and Cher’s response was, “I had to laugh” – which is very elliptical. In fact, Cher’s comments about her mom tend to be elliptical. Cher says Paramount pulled out. Sonny confirms this and that he put up the rest of the money needed to finish it. This would come to haunt him later. The gorilla filmmaking started at this point.

Another big discrepancy in the two books is the story of when Cher caught Sonny having sex with his secretary. Cher says it happened during the filming of Chastity and Sonny puts it during the filming of Good Times. Sonny says he hired a typist/secretary to take notes and he was having sex with her one night and Cher walked in. He says Cher gave him the “cold shoulder” after that but eventually came back around (seemingly on her own). Sonny says this was the only time Cher ever caught him cheating but that this was not the only time he did it. He says this was the era of the double standard, he was an Italian sexist but that he’s come to see the error of his ways after two more marriages. We’ll cover Cher’s version of this when we get to the movie Chastity.

Cher just says that the reviews were good and her performance was called “effortless” which Cher wasn’t sure was an insult or compliment and that Sonny was also called “a natural.” She admits it wasn’t a box office success and that Sonny became depressed and that he had “overextended them financially” for the film. Sonny admits they shot at their own pace and went over budge and the studio “pulled the plug.” They were only 2/3 done, Sonny says. Sonny doesn’t talk about the reviews or his experience acting or any of the locations or scenes. He only discusses the writing of it and the money aspects.

When it was released, Sonny says he went around to Chicago theaters and all of them were empty. For the Austin, Texas, premiere there was a parade and press but only nine people actually in the theater. Sonny in the retelling sounds honestly shocked about this and at the same time insists he “honestly never believed the movie was going to be successful” because he knew Sonny & Cher were already “on the wane” and that the film’s premise wasn’t in synch with the times. Here is where Sonny tries to convey that he’s “in the know” about show business even when he fails. This is a pattern in the book. Sonny claims the experience “hardened us” and he admits he blamed Cher for her lack of seriousness about the movie. Distance grew between them and he lashed out, slamming doors and throwing glassware. “Cher would let me have it.”

Cher talks about being on the Carol Burnett show and first meeting Bob Mackie. He designs her first dress for the “You’d Better Sit Down” song (23:29) from this 1967 show. Sonny doesn’t mention Carol Burnett but he later mentions late-decade Laugh In appearances she doesn’t mention.

Stone and Greene get fired. Cher says one day they were just gone, that Sonny didn’t like all the attention they were spending on their new clients Buffalo Springfield and Iron Butterfly. Cher says Sonny told her Stone and Greene stole from them but that she read later Sonny had to buy out their contracts for $250,000. Sonny talks about how there’s always a honeymoon period with managers. (To Cher’s credit, she’s kept hers for longer periods of time.) Sonny says Stone and Greene had become creepy copies of Sonny & Cher, dressing and talking like them, hanging out with their circle and that “we resented it.” Then they found Joe De Carlo who became their new manager and both Sonny and Cher agree he was like a father figure to them. Sonny says he would say things like “kids, don’t worry. I’ll take care of it.”

Music: Sonny said they worked on “Little Man” in London while while they were promoting Good Times in the UK. He used a cap of a coke bottle on the strings to the piano for the gypsy sound. It was a top 10 in the UK but didn’t fare well in the US. Cher doesn’t mention this song or “The Beat Goes On” but Sonny talks about his philosophy of life goes on, about failure, defeat and opportunity, that you always need to keep problem solving. “I was a fighter,” he says and that first came up with the “drums keep ponding rhythm to the brain” line and the la-di-da-di-de fill. He says nothing about the production of the song or how Carol Kaye invented the bass line (which arguably made the song what it was). Radio play got the song to #6 but people didn’t rush out to buy it, Sonny says. The song, like the rest of their later 60s material, was out of kilter with the hip scene.

Tony Curtis House #1: They both talk about the crazy experience of going to the Tony Curtis party (not knowing him personally at the time) at Carrolwood. Sonny says they were invited to the party via one of his poker pals. They both mention either the square footage of the house (Cher) or the number of rooms (Sonny). Sonny says it was the biggest house they’d ever seen. (they both remark on how it felt to pull up to the house) and how the next day Curtis sold them his other house on St. Cloud in Bel Air (only 34 rooms). Cher told Sonny someday they would live in the Big House and Sonny responded, “Ok, bud.” Both say how much they liked Tony Curtis even though he put them through the hard sell when he showed them the St. Cloud House: You wanna be seen as a show biz winner? Imagine kids in the pool! Cher says the St. Cloud house itself was her dream house. They bought it for $250,000 and Sonny says Cher was in heaven. She had arrived. She doesn’t dispute this. Problem was their income was dwindling. They were down to some commercials and backyard parties and the house was expensive to maintain. Royalties were meagre, Sonny says. By 1968 there were no more hits and only a handful of concerts. Sonny started to think some of their happiest days were when they were poor and Cher later would feel this way, too. But that they couldn’t go back.

Sonny says they sold their Encino house furnished and they had no money for new furniture. Cher says all they had was a four-poster canopy bed and a dinning room table and four chairs. Ron Wilson decorated their kitchen for them as a housewarming gift.

The Drug Film: Everyone who was a teen at the time remember this film. The eye-rolling Sonny (and Cher, although she wasn’t in it) anti-drug film. Cher correctly calls the film called Marijuana and she hints at the ridiculousness of Sonny, a man in his 30s, wearing silk pajamas sitting in their opulent home talking to teenagers about drugs. Cher says they showed the movie for years to 12th graders.

Interestingly, both portray the other one as the more adamantly opposed to booze and drugs. Cher says Sonny was anti-drug because he was older, more conservative person. Sonny says Cher was anti-drug because her father a drug addict which had caused havoc in her life. Cher admits she didn’t imbibe because she never saw imbibing really help anyone and she didn’t enjoy it when she tried it; but that she didn’t judge others who did like her mother or uncle (she doesn’t mention Gregg Allman). Cher says the drug film killed their record sales and appearance offers and they went from selling in the millions to the tens of thousands. She admits Sonny was likely on prescription medication at this time, too, painkillers and valium.

Sonny doesn’t even mention anything about the film at all.

Chastity The Movie: Cher says that at a low point, Sonny started writing this movie and that he was influenced by The Graduate and new filmmaking. Sonny says he was bored with music and wanted to be in the movie business. His friend William Fredkin told him to “write a damn movie.” Sonny says the movie was a challenge to write. He calls it a loving interpretation of the enigmatic Cher, an unsolvable paradox. He still believed in her talent. Sonny said in his diary he felt Cher would be one of the “best actresses of our day. I hope I can prove it.”

He wanted it to be like the timeless epics. He wanted to make a statement too, be profound. It was about a quest for identity, a search for the meaning of life. He says it was overwritten but he claims Cher and Fredkin liked it. Cher agreed she liked the original script. But the movie had no studio, director or money and Sonny needed 150-200K. He said he understood that it was unheard of to finance your own movie. But he did it anyway. (It’s hard to know if he did know he shouldn’t put up his own money of if this is just another example of Sonny maintaining that he knows the score all time.) But Ahmet Ertegun “floated them some cash” and arranged for a few other investors. Sonny want to NYC to find investors but couldn’t.

The Salvador Dali Story: Sonny says while he was in NYC looking for investors when the Salvador Dali incident happened. They both tell this story. Cher says it was at the St. Regis Hotel in NYC. They were there with Francis Ford Coppola and Dali’s wife was having a party in their suite. They ran into Sonny & Cher and invited them to their suite party one night and then dinner the next night at a restaurant.

The both talk about the fish vibrator Cher picked up at the suite party. Cher describes it in detail as a plastic fish with a tail that would wiggle when you turned it on. Cher starts to play with it and Cher has Dali say, “It’s lovely when you place it on your clitoris.” Sonny has Dali say, “this is what nuns in Spain use to masterbate.” (You could probably write a thesis paper on just these two responses to that toy). They both agree that the vibrator incident made Sonny and Francis Ford Coppola start laughing uncontrollably.

Sonny says Dali’s crowd assumed Sonny & Cher were kinky and that there were all kinds of things going on at the penthouse suite. But Sonny remembers the dinner happening on the same night. After hanging around the suite without any food arriving, they all decided to go out to dinner. Sonny remembers Helmut Newton being there. Cher remembers Ultra Violet being there and tapping on Cher’s leg with her cane incessantly. In Cher’s story they went to the restaurant and all sat together for some uncomfortable time before the Dali group said they had to be somewhere else and moved to the next table, from then on ignoring them. Sonny says the Dali party immediate sat down at another table and ignored them.

Cher says they worked with a 15 person crew on Chastity and the director was a real person and not Sonny, a director of commercials who didn’t really know what he was doing, Cher calls him a clichéd hack. Sonny doesn’t mention the director at all except to say he was fired during the editing process for taking too long. It was really low budget, Cher providing her own clothes. Cher knew that Sonny had been inspired by her when he wrote it and says, “I could’ve been offended but I wasn’t” The lesbian episode was based on Sonny thinking Cher had been in a relationship with her earlier roommate Melissa. Cher says she hit it off with her British co-star Stephen Whitaker, mostly because he seemed interested in what she had to say and they bonded over a love of acting. It wasn’t sexual at all Cher says. But Sonny was jealous of them and moved scenes around to keep them apart. He cut all the intimacy out of the script, Cher says.

During the making of the movie, Sonny & Cher did the Soul Together, Martin Luther King tribute concert benefit at Madison Square Garden where Cher met Jim Hendrix. Cher says they were at the bottom of the bill. Sonny doesn’t mention the show at all.

It’s here where Cher brings up the dictation secretary Sonny was caught sleeping with “who happened to be young and blonde,” Cher remembers details about this episode, the wrought iron gate she saw them through when she woke up late one night to get a glass of water. Cher insists she had no earlier suspicions. She recounts coming to bed after she caught them, what she said to him and then packing off to her mother’s house the next morning and her mother telling her she’d “been hearing things” about Sonny’s philandering. Cher said she was “overloaded with sadness” and that she did not just “come around” eventually, as Sonny claims, but that Sonny came to Georgia’s house the next day to talk Cher into coming back, eventually blaming her for their not having enough sex.

Around this time Cher says, her mother stopped talking to her and sent her a list of grievances but Cher doesn’t say what those grievances were. You wonder if one of the might have been Cher’s obsession with Sonny, even after he was caught cheating on her. While in Scottsdale filming Chastity, Sonny says they met with a psychic who predicted a good thing would come from the movie and Sonny interprets this to be their new baby. Cher doesn’t mention this.

Sonny said the movie shoot was beleaguered with problems, bad weather, illness, equipment breaking, fights, script problems. Sonny said he watered down the sex scenes, yes, but that it was still “plenty hot.” (It wasn’t). He admits he was worried about Cher and Whitaker because of their looks and pats on the back, “not that I had been faithful to Cher” and that Cher’s double told him an affair was in progress and that “everyone on the set knows.” Cher claims she was friends with her double, a woman named Joanna (see photo at right). Sonny says he had a talk with Cher and the flirting stopped.

Sonny and their new manager, Denis Pregnolato, finished editing the movie and postproduction was expensive, Sonny says, so he needed more money. They went on tour for cash. And while Sonny was editing the movie, Cher was on bed rest. She was pregnant again. No studios were interested. While Denis and Sonny were in NYC to find investors Sonny’s hotel room was burgled. Then the William Morris agents that had once been supportive agents for them walked out of a meeting with Sonny and Denis. Eventually American International Pictures distributed the film.

Sonny’s final assessment: the movie stank. Cher says in the end the film’s R rating meant that the kids it was aimed for couldn’t even see it and it was panned by the critics. They were both too sick to attend the premiere. Sonny agrees with this. He says the movie had one week of good box office before dying. He said the distributor changed the poster to add a buxom body to Cher but it didn’t help.

Cher says the lost their agent but Joe DeCarlo stuck by us. Sonny says he had given up on Joe De Carlo by then (but he doesn’t say why).

Sonny and Politics: Cher says Sonny offered his services to the Robert F. Kennedy campaign. In fact they would have been with RFK the night he was shot but for the shooting schedule for Chastity. Cher also said Sonny had an idea for a bill that George McGovern was interested in. But students accused Sonny of being rich establishment. Sonny says Cher was apathetic about politics. He says he eventually saw the hypocrisy of politics, the phoniness. (Sonny is a mayor as he writes this, not yet a congressman.) He says he sees politics as a lesser state of show business. (I’ve heard that depiction in my own house too from someone who has written for both show business and Washington, D.C., but it’s an ironic way to think in terms of real impact.)

Their Relationship and Marriage: Cher recounts a bad event after going to see The Dirty Dozen movie where Sonny turned on her and started a fight in the car and then disappeared for the night which Cher said became a pattern, a kind of cover for Sonny to put Cher off-balance and then disappear for the night. Sonny doesn’t mention this but does admit he was never faithful. She tells the tennis lesson story where Sonny got jealous and burned all her tennis clothes and that Denis Pregnolato (who was living with them at the time) told Sonny she had been talking to men at the instructor’s party. Sonny doesn’t tell any of these stories.

Sonny instead tells of the pressure he felt from Cher, not that she was ever saying anything. He felt their career supported their marriage and was inseparably linked. He felt pressure to maintain their music career but songwriting had become a task. Sonny says he plotted and planned and that Cher always had faith in him and that he needed her confidence. They both agreed he was tenacious as a superpower. As Sonny stirred the show biz waters, Cher went to bed at 10, Sonny says. Cher says she was always so exhausted by their unrelenting schedule (and now she’s a night owl). Sonny said she shopped and did needlepoint. Cher says she shopped and did needlepoint because that’s all she was allowed to do.

Sonny insists their relationship depended upon success. He says it was unspoken and unstated and that Cher never complained but it was “quite obvious” when she “disappeared inside” The years 1972-4 would prove him wrong about this when Cher would leave him at their most successful peak It wasn’t the lack of success that ended it. Sonny admits their relationship was lopsided, not balanced and not healthy.

Cher says they’d been faking a marriage from the beginning but Sonny decided they needed to be married. Cher recounts this as happening before Chaz was born and they had a quick ceremony in the library. She says it was very unromantic but that she didn’t care. Sonny claims that when he found out Cher was pregnant during the making of Chastity he suggested “we should go legit.” (Why not during all the other pregnancies?). Sonny says they didn’t get married until Chastity was a toddler and that it happened in the den and he says it was not nearly as romantic as when they used to sing together on stage.

So they both agree it was not romantic but they disagree about where and when it happened.

By the end of the the decade, Sonny said his only confidant was Denis Pregnolato and Cher says her only confidant was Joe De Carlo.

Chastity The Person: Both say the other one figured the baby would be a boy, but that they personally didn’t care.

Cher: “Sonny was convinced it was a boy and that’s all he wanted. I didn’t care.”  Cher claims Sonny said, “remember Cher, I want a boy.” Sonny: “Cher was convinced she was having a boy. I didn’t care.”  (This is all complicated by the Chaz Bono story.)

During the pregnancy, Sonny became nicer Cher says. He took her to Cedars of Sinai in “our ridiculous Rolls Royce limo.” Cher talks of all the pictures Sonny took and how she hated it at the time but is now glad he did it, just like he said she would be. Cher says Chaz’s middle name is after Sonny, her Dad. Sonny says Chastity Sun the Sun for the light she brought into our lives. Well, at least they agree about the Chastity part.

Cher says she felt anxiety about being a mother and that her own mother didn’t come to see her in the hospital and that broke her heart. Cher says they weren’t speaking and she has forgotten why. She hemorrhaged the night she came home from the hospital and sonny was MIA. sonny doesn’t mention this. Cher says her mother came to visit three months later and then just criticized her mothering.

Sonny claims Cher would cry if Chastity didn’t smile enough, that maybe the baby didn’t love her (post partum anyone?). Cher only mentions struggling with an early nurse who didn’t think she knew how to do anything and being determined to do mothering the best she could.

Sonny says the baby was everything to them. Cher says it was like Christmas every day.  Sonny talks again about feeling guilty about being a poor dad to Christy.

By this time they were borrowing money from their chauffeur that they needed for their “ridiculous” Rolls Royce limo.

Muscle Shoals: Three weeks later Cher was working again for Vogue. When she returned from the shoot, Sonny told her they were flat broke and owed 270K to the government for unpaid taxes. Sonny says it was 200k. Cher said neither Sonny or her knew anything about taxes. Neither of them had ever been in a job long enough to pay taxes (that’s amazing!) and Sonny never trusted their managers with the money stuff. They couldn’t finish paying for the St. Cloud house and the market was bad for selling it. Cher admits she had a panic attack and withdrew but that Sonny promised her he could turn it around in two years. “Give me two years and we’ll be bigger than ever.” And she believed he could (and he did). Cher says it was his faith this time that pulled her through: “He had a great belief in us.” Sonny doesn’t tell the give-me-two years story in his book but I have a vague memory that he did tell it somewhere in an interview.

Sonny said Ahmet Ertegun still believed in them but that Jerry Wexler only wanted Cher without Sonny for the next record. He said he also lost his role as producer.

For Cher this was the beginning of the next phase. She mentions the This is Tom Jones appearance in London (Sonny does too) and the Jackson Highway album. Sonny was not producing but he was interfering a lot, she said, and claimed he was only there for support and to take photos. But due to all the arguments, Jerry Wexler ended up in the hospital from stress and Cher had to retreat to the cemetery across the street to lay down and talk to all the dead people. She read Sonny’s diary where he said it was the best album she’s ever done. Sonny tells this part too, about this being her best album yet. He calls it a great album.

But they were dropped from Atlantic anyway. That was the end of Ertegun’s great belief I guess. “The album stiffed,” Sonny says.

Sonny says it was Joe De Carlo who suggested nightclubs which they resisted at first because they saw themselves as rock and rollers. But Sonny was depressed and they needed money. They started at the Flamingo Hotel in Las Vegas in 1969 opening for Pat Boone. Cher hated it. They both agree on this. The audience was too close, Sonny says. Cher was back to looking straight at Sonny when they performed. His diary says “her magic grows” but he admits he has to keep her in line now. “I never let her get too far out of line” and he acknowledges how bad that sounds. He was a chauvinist. No argument there. He says Cher hated the travel and not being a star. (This is an interesting claim because she did long, long concert tours later on.) Sonny says they became professional vagabonds on the Fairmont Hotel circuit. They went all over the U.S. and Canada with Chastity and a nanny in tow and it was a great joy. Cher agrees with this. She says they all became closer during this time even though times were hard. And a stage repartee developed. Sonny doesn’t say how it came to be, like Cher does, but he gives an example.

And here we come to the end of 1969.

We have to acknowledge, in Sonny’s defense, he may not have been allowed to the ink and the space to tell as many stories as Cher was allowed. Sonny didn’t receive an icon or a legend’s memoir contract and he may have had to cut out a lot to fit everything into a smaller book. Editors could have been involved. Or maybe he self-edited. But even so, he surely seemed to misremember more than Cher did.

Things I found working on this:

“Home of the Brave” by Bonnie and The Treasures (Sonny says it has Sonny and Cher on backup)

Graham Reed talks about “Pammie’s On a Bummer”

One of the Hollywood Bowl radio promo spots. 93 cents!?

Chastity Movie Radio Interview

The Drug Film (in case you missed it in high school)

Memoir Versus Memoir, Part 1

Because I started out as a post-toddler Sonny & Cher fan and because I purchased an extra copy of Cher’s memoir to use as my marginalia-strewn one (gotta have a MIB one), I thought I should revisit Sonny’s take on everything and compare books.

 

  • Cher, The Memoir (parts one and two), Dey Street Books (an imprint of HarperCollins), 2024 and 2025 (predicted); page numbers refer to the hardback edition
  • And the Beat Goes On, Pocket Books (an imprint Simon & Schuster), 1991; page numbers refer to the paperback used copy I just bought on ThriftBooks for this exercise

I thought I would do the comparison in parts: early childhood, late childhood, the S&C cute-meet through 1969, 1970-1979, and wait for Cher’s part 2 to come out to continue.

Sonny’s book cleanly cut off at age 7, but Cher had no similar cut off, hers was more at age 9 (and a lotta livin’ happens between 7 and 9 so that wouldn’t work). Then I decided the cutoff would be end-of-high school for both of them, but Cher’s high school ending was murky so that didn’t work either. By the way, I had read many times that they both dropped out of high school but Sonny’s book maintains he graduated.

So the easiest solution was to break it up by these three sections:

  1. Before S&C
  2. S&C in the 1960s
  3. S&C in the 1970s

I started by comparing the structures of the two books.

First of all, it’s a sobering thought to realize Sonny only lived about 20 years after the last Sonny & Cher concerts of 1977 (Sonny died in January of 1998). He fit a lot of living into those 20 years.

The best story they both relay in common is the cinematic “Sahara’s Kitchen” story so it must have been indelibly memorable for both of them. It’s a description of their hard early-70s nightclub tour where they had to stand in the casino kitchen in full suit and gown, dodging waiters at the swinging doors, waiting for their cue to go out on stage. It’s a story that says a lot about show business but shows their sense of humor about their career nadir.

Re-reading Cher’s front-matter, I now see that she says her 2024 story is based on memory. So fact-checking her is beside the point. I mean, scholars still have to fact check as historians but this is basically her get-out-of-jail-free card.

In Sonny 1991 story, he thanks Mary and his four kids and Denis Pregnolato (who is one of the bad guys in Cher’s book but I have a feeling he will be portrayed as a good guy in Sonny’s) and his publisher. He also adds a note that says “This story is not about right or wrong. It’s just another story of a life and what one goes through, hopefully gathering wisdom as one travels.” This Sonny’s get-out-of-jail-free card. A bit of false modesty maybe. But okay, he’s trying. It’s also a way of saying ‘I’m not going to cast blame here’ right before he casts a lotta blame.

Cher’s book has no dedication but a note on the use of the names Chastity, Chas and Chaz (a usage cleared by her son). However, in the back are a list of acknowledgements with thanks to Joe DeCarlo (Cher’s heroic manager to contrast Sonny’s Dennis Pregnolato) and by name her family members, a list which includes both Sonny and “Sonny & Cher,” as well as and her friends, assistants and publishers.

Right there, you can see a difference. Sonny does not thank Cher in this ritualistic way and he should have, no matter what he has to say about her in the text of the book. It’s just the right thing to do. Even if they were sworn enemies, which they weren’t even.

They both use music for chapter and section titles (in Sonny’s case). Cher sticks to mostly song titles (only 3 of 21 chapters being songs original to her own act), but Sonny uses songs and lyrics exclusively from his oeuvre. His section one is Needles and Pins, part two The Revolutionary Kind, part three I Got You Babe, part four Bang Bang, My Baby Shot Me Down (not even correctly using the parentheticals there) and part five The Beat Goes On. You can easily figure what happens in each section by these sections by their titles. Frustratingly, Sonny’s book has no table of contents. I will probably flip it to death trying to find things.

Sonny’s preface story is basically a chapter titled, “She’ll Make Me Cry Until the Day I Die,” a line from “Needles and Pins” and a pretty hefty admission of emotion considering the chapter is about how Cher keeps reappearing (via fans and the press) into his professional life despite attempts to escape the omnipresence of Sonny & Cher. His story begins with scenes of him running for the Mayor of Palm Springs and having to dodge Cher questions from fans and the media. This story then feeds into the whole David Letterman appearance and his take on it. We’ll return to this episode once Cher finishes her 1980s chapters in the forthcoming memoir.

Cher’s preface is watching American Bandstand in 1956 as a ten year old and seeing Ray Charles sing “Georgia on My Mind.”

The chapters of Sonny’s section 2 are “It’s Gotta Start Sometime…It’s Gotta Start Someplace” which are lines (reversed) from his song “Laugh at Me.” (I went right to the lyric part of the song by the second! High five!), which is a chapter about his childhood. The next chapter is “Why Can’t I Be Like Any Guy” another line from “Laugh at Me,” a chapter about his early jobs pre-Cher, jobs he had hustling in the L.A. music business. He meets Cher halfway through chapter 4, suddenly using a song title, “A Cowboy’s Work Is Never Done.”

Chapter 2 starts with things Sonny wrote in that that diary Cher gave him in the late 1960s and how this diary got him to thinking about his life story.

Sonny’s book is much smaller than Cher’s  which is famously in two parts. Sonny didn’t become the big legend Cher did so this is understandable, but there’s only a slim amount of genealogy from before his parents, which is unfortunate because there are probably interesting people back there somewhere all contributing to his unique Sonnyness. Why did his relatives migrate from Italy? Did he know any of them?

Cher’s family and childhood stories run from pages 1 to 124. Sonny’s from pages 1-34.

In Cher’s book, the main Sonny & Cher saga goes from pages 124 to 369ish (stuff happened between them even into the 80s and 90s). Sonny’s Sonny & Cher stories go from pages 57 to 239. Cher’s life with Sonny takes up most of her first book, as does Cher in Sonny’s book.

Cher’s book ends with life-after Sonny from pages 369-441, very little room to talk about major love affairs with Gregg Allman, Gene Simmons and Les Dudek. Sonny’s book ends with his his marriages to Susie Coelho and Mary Whitaker (she’s been married four times now, by the way which is why we’re just going to revert to her maiden name from now on), his restaurants. mayoral and congressional professions, all running from pages 243 -277, just over 30 pages to cover about 10 years of his life (1981 to when the book was published in 1991).

Cher’s genealogy, childhood and first forays out into the world are covered in eight chapters called “Georgia On My Mind,” “I’m So Lonesome I Could Cry,” “A Dream Is a Wish Your Heart Makes,” “Unforgettable,” “I’m Movin’ On,” “Because You Loved Me,” “Trouble” and “New York, New York.”

Another thing to note right off is the differences in tone in how they speak about themselves and each other.

Although interviews for Cher’s memoir focused mostly on Sonny’s dick moves, the book is really much more even-keeled about Sonny, his good and bad points and Cher takes some responsibility for some of her own moves or lack of moves. She tries to be fair and true as much as she can. Cher said it was a hard relationship to describe.

Sonny’s tone was different. Even in the preface he takes pains to reinforce that he knows what’s going on in the Late Night with David Letterman experience. He wants us to know he doesn’t feel used by show business. He knows the score. He’s a smart guy so this isn’t as pronounced as in other memoirs of faded stars which often devolve into defensive victimizing, but these are gestures in here that still reflect his need for control, especially because the power relations dictated by the media were different for Sonny and Cher respectively and had become pretty unbalanced by this time. Cher had more cultural capital by this time and more professional capital. You sense that Sonny feels he has to stake his ground.

He also consistently describes Cher as cold and distant, sometimes in a disingenuous gesture of innocence. He’ll say that he has no idea what’s going on in the world of Cher, that since the divorce he never really sees her. Forget all the stories about Cher babysitting Sonny’s girlfriends kid (Anthony Kiedis) in the mid-70s or Sonny extensively photographing and babysitting Elijah in the late 70s. Or that trip to Paris Cher describes them taking together after the divorce. He absents Cher in his life story in ways Cher never did absent him in her stories. And it says something about how they must have felt about each other, each in their own way.

And there are problems with his point of view. Even if we give him the benefit of the doubt because his relationship with Cher was different than her relationship with any of her other romantic partner. Their relationship had aspects of caretaking, parental guidance and sibling rivalry. So the Cher he knew was unique to him.

But it’s worth mentioning that no other former husband or boyfriend describes Cher as anything but lovely and amazing (except for Josh Donen, I don’t know if he’s ever gone on record). I have seen glowing (recent) comments from Gene Simmons, Les Dudek and Richie Sambora. Robert Camiletti stays out of the press but he is still Cher’s friend so that speaks for itself. Gregg Allman is not that great at compliments and their marriage ended on a sour note but even still, his comments about Cher-as-person are positive. Val Kilmer, who passed away recently, was known as one of the few men who left the relationship first and even so, Cher took him in when he was sick with cancer. And his comments about her before and after that gesture were always very positive. None of these men describe Cher as Sonny does, as moody and distant and as selfishly ambitious.

I am chalking this up to two things: their relationship was different, not on equal footing, and possibly this required extra distancing behavior from Cher after it was over. Maybe like a young adult leaving the nest, it became easier to distance yourself rather than to fall under Sonny’s spell again. (It reminds me of stories of Cher’s fast-talking father, Johnnie Sarkisian.)

Also, we’re dealing with Sonny here: jealous, proud, egotistical, a willing Hollywood player with a show-biz tendency to self-mythologize opportunistically. He’s not a reliable narrator for this reason. That said, his stories are necessarily told here albeit imperfectly; and it takes a bit of effort to separate his Cher-wounds from his truths. But it’s possible.

Sonny even takes control of his self-criticisms. He readily admits to his flagrant cheating and tries to explain why he did it. And he apologizes for it.

As I re-read Cher’s book I see different things. I don’t have many memories reading Sonny’s book, except for some of the factual errors. We’ll see if I can find them again.

In the very first biography I ever read of Cher, Simply Cher by Linda Jacobs, I learned that her birth name was Cherilyn Sarkisian, but we learn in her memoir that this was never a name she really used all that much except during the time her parents were re-married when she was around eleven. The name is so solidly and continually trotted out as her “real name” but it never really was a name she used for more than a few years. And you can see how, for Cher more than any other mononymed person because of all her many step-fathers and husbands, that the idea of surname for her is a truly contested space. So her mononym is more than just a show-biz pseudonym.

The story of Cher getting kicked out of her house by her mother after a creepy come-on from one of Georgia’s boyfriends named Gabe (and Cher saying she had to wait until her mother “cooled off” until she could return home) is oddly similar to the story Chaz Bono tells of coming out to Cher in New York City and also having to leave the apartment until Cher had time to “cool off.”

Cher uses the word “soch” (for socialite) to describe popular kids, which is the word we used at my high school in the mid-1980s as well. Other points I connected with this read were her love of running around barefoot. My mother’s pediatrician (a Dr. Spock-like iconoclast) was a big proponent of letting children run around barefoot for the better development of their feet. I rarely remember having shoes on and never wear shoes inside. Cher also tells a story about crying in the bathtub once after a trauma and how a running bath makes her want to cry to this day. And I have cried in so many bathtubs, I would say the same. And what tween or teen girl hasn’t danced around her bedroom to their favorite songs?

In the TV special Dear Mom, Love Cher there is a picture of Georgia Holt kissing the sidewalk (shown multiple times) and in the memoir Cher tells us the story of that picture and that she still has the picture.

I mentioned incorrectly in the Cher Show Phoenix musical that the musical conflated two stories of Cher meeting Phil Spector, the first being with an earlier boyfriend I misidentified as Red. It was really her earlier boyfriend Nino Tempo who first introduced her to Phil Spector, the meeting where they had the saucy exchange.

In Cher’s first chapters, she talks a lot about the history of her mother’s side, a bit about living in Fresno with her father’s family and lots of stories about childhood adventures and struggles. She details life with her mother’s boyfriends and husbands, star encounters, life in New York, taking acting classes with Jeff Corey back in Los Angeles and her fist attempts at trying to leave the nest.

Sonny beginning covers his life in Detroit and the Hawthorne and Inglewood areas of Los Angeles, early struggles with his father, high school stories. Both books talk about how he was suspended from high school for hiring an R&B band to play prom. And both books mention he was a masseur, but Sonny’s book elaborates on the story, how he had to fake it as a masseur for only a week to earn plane ticket money back to L.A. from Detroit. His early stories also include learning how to play three chords on a ukulele and learning to write songs. A good amount of story is given to the problems of his first marriage to Donna Rankin. He called her “an ornament, blonde and beautiful, someone that I didn’t believe a chance of getting.” This was sadly an ego relationship and Sonny admits they weren’t compatible. She was a homebody and he wanted to be a music industry mover and shaker. He also admits he was absent from most of his daughter Christy’s early life.

The story of how he got his first song in front of Frankie Lane is pretty incredible. It shows how he built his future on both luck and chutzpah. He tells how he came to start friendships with Jack Nitzsche and Harold Battiste while renting a guest house from Art Rupe, the owner of Specialty Records. Battiste used to practice saxophone in Rupe’s hot house and one day Nitzsche and Sonny were listening to it and Nitzsche said, “this place would make a helluva coffee house.” Sonny tells stories about being a songwriter and A&R man with Specialty, including the dramatic moments when both Little Richard and Sam Cooke left the label (Richards to become a minister and Cooke to become a pop star). Sonny also describes his first recorded songs with Larry Williams (“High School Dance” and “You Bug Me, Baby”) and involvement in early Payola (and what that looked like) with DJs while he worked as a promotion man. He talks about trying to start his own label (he calls it Gold) and recording songs under the monikers Ronny Summers and Sonny Christie. But this is strangely misremembered.

First of all, this man needs a better Wikipedia singles discography. Let’s explore what I was able to figure out in a day:

Specialty Songwriting

According to https://tims.blackcat.nl/messages/sonny_bono.htm “Sonny convinced Rupe that he was also a songwriter and he managed to place two of his songs, “High School Dance” and “You Bug Me Baby”, on the flip-sides of Larry Williams’s hits “Short Fat Fannie” and “Bony Moronie”…his best rock ‘n’ roll composition is undoubtedly “Koko Joe“, recorded by Don and Dewey in 1958, with “She Said Yeah” (1958, Larry Williams) as a close second.”

The later song was also recorded by the Rolling Stones in 1965. The first two Larry Williams songs are credited to Williams-Bono. The Don and Dewey song is credited to S. Christy.

Don Christy versus S. Christy

So it appears S. Christy was the writing pseudonym and Don Christy was was the singing pseudonym; and under Don Christy I was able to find some singles but not under any Gold label. But Don Christy songs span many labels.

Specialty:

  • The site above continues, “In 1959 Bono recorded a single of his own, under the pseudonym Don Christy (“Wearing Black“/”One Little Answer,” Specialty 672)”

Fidelity:

  • Discogs has “Wearing Black” also released with “You Don’t Have to Tell Me” on the (unintentionally ironic) Fidelity label.
  • Another message board has conversations about Sonny’s early work, including this note: “Sonny Bono & Little Tootsie (!!!) on Specialty, and it’s called “Coming Down The Chimney“. The record was issued on Specialty #733 and was flipped with “One Little Answer” as credited to Sonny Bono instead of Don Christy. I would presume it to be the same take as on the 1959 release of the song.” (the label shows Fidelity not Specialty). (Find at the 4.20 mark.)

Go:

  • Discogs also has “I Don’t Care” with “Teach Me” on a label called Go. (Is this the misremembered Gold label?)
  • Discogs also has “As Long as You Love Me” at the 10:50 mark with “I’ll Always Be Grateful” (Go)  at the 13.12 mark (credited to S. Christy on Go).

Rush:

  • And Discogs also has a Rush label single “I’ll Change” at the 28.03 mark with “Try It Out on Me” at the 30.17 mark (S. Christy credit).
  • Discog’s also matches “Little Miss Cool” at the 33.12 mark (credited to S. Christy and arranged by Jack Nitzsche) with “Glass of Tears” (also arranged by Jack Nitzsche) at the 35:35 mark.

Prince Carter

Sonny doesn’t mention this but he also recorded under the pseudonym Prince Carter.

Ronny Sommers

There’s probably even more. And I couldn’t find much on release dates. Like I said, we need a Sonny Scholar to fully sort this out.

According to the forum chat, “There were three more records as by ‘Don Christy’ before’ ‘Ronny Summers’ entered the picture, and on three different labels: Go, Fidelity, and Name. All were apparently 1960. The Sommers issue was in 1961 on the Swami label. (This info also gotten via Goldmine.) His first release as by Sonny Bono was on the Highland label in 1963 (again, Goldmine).”

In any case, the credit is never “Christie” on the record labels as Sonny has it, always “Christy.”

It’s at this point that Sonny & Cher meet each other.

The Cher Show Musical in Phoenix

The Cher Show traveling musical is now in its second year around the U.S. The closest it has come to me has been Phoenix (or maybe Denver). And those cities are a 7-hour drive in either direction, far from really “close.” And this is not the kind of show I would travel farther than Kansas City to see.  The first incarnation of the traveling show was set to come to our Popejoy Hall on the beautiful campus of the University of New Mexico here in Albuquerque where I have seen many other traveling once-Broadway shows.

But that whole enterprise was cancelled before it began due to COVID. The reboot show has not returned to Albuquerque for some reason. We get plenty of pop and rock shows finding there way to us as a second or third-tier market. Since I’ve been here I’ve seen Elton John (solo, bucket list) at Tingley Coliseum at the city fairgrounds (where my parents once saw Johnny Cash in the 1970s and where Sonny & Cher came to play), Bob Dylan at the Kimo Theater, Sammy Hagar and Don Williams at the surrounding casinos (Route66 and Isleta respectively). I have yet to visit our local amphitheater although I came close to seeing Elvis Costello on tour with Steely Dan there (I had seen Steely Dan already at the Riverport amphitheater, now Hollywood Casino amphitheater in St. Louis).

All to say I’m hoping The Cher Show comes to Popejoy in year three.

But I do have a few friends and relatives in Phoenix and one of them is journalist Robrt Pela, who you may know from previous Cher Scholar conversations and interviews. I decided to head out in that direction for the 28 March 2025 show at The Mesa Arts Center. I really wanted to see it again because the first time was mostly a Broadway blur.

While I was in Cleveland a few months ago moving my parents, Robrt and I did a Phoenix Magazine conversation about the show and then the day before the show we did another brief conversation at the KJZZ studio for NPR. It was the first radio station I’d ever been in and it looked just like any other office space. Later that weekend when I was talking about the experience to my cousin, she asked me what I was expecting and I said WKRP.

Unlike the 2022-23 British version of the tour last year (which had unique costumes, sets and assets), this show appears to be a simplified replica of the Broadway show.

We have a new cast and I’m now noticing the interesting combinations of characters played by single actors. These are the major parts:

  • 1980s Cher, a.k.a. the Star (sometimes called Icon or Badass) played by Morgan Scott in her second year
  • 1970s Cher, a.k.a. the Lady (sometimes called the glam pop star or the Smartass) played by Catherine Ariale in her second year
  • 1960s Cher, a.k.a. the Babe (sometimes called the Kid or the Sweetheart) played by Ella Perez in her second year
  • Sonny played by Lorenzo Pugliese (who played Joe Pesci in a show of Jersey Boys similar to Jarrod Spector who also played Frankie Valli in Jersey Boys on Broadway, which is telling about the crossover of the Sonny role to the Italians in Jersey Boys)
  • Georgia Holt/Lucille Ball played by Kristin Rose Kelleher (the press sheet for this show listed actress Lucy Werner, as does the Wikipedia page) so were we seeing a new, unlisted understudy or has Werner left?)
  • Bob Mackie/Robert Altman/Frank played by Tyler Pirrung
  • Gregg Allman/John Southall played by Zack Zaromatidis (which kind of turns Gregg Allman into a southern-style father figure here, which is not really what he was for Cher)
  • Robert Camilletti played by Brooks Andrew
  • Phil Spector/Sid the Censor/Male ET Reporter played by Kevin Michael Buckley (kind of a subset of villains)
  • Infomercial Director/Digby the Writer played by Mark Tran Russ (another set up even larger villains…these two get a big amount of shade in this musical and, by the way, Digby Wolfe was the head writer on Cher in 1975)

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I like to crowd-watch these things. Most of the audience was comprised of older couples and groups of women. This might because younger people don’t go to these shows. There was one young, gay couple ahead of us who seemed very into it, as did the groups of women around me.

There were a lot of gray-heads, including mine. But talking to my group, we thought we might have skewed younger than most of the crowd.  One blonde woman in the row ahead talked about having bought a Cher doll.

I took notes this time at the risk of looking weird. Which is something I wasn’t willing to do at the Neil Simon Theater on Broadway.

The show started with an audio cacophony of Cher from interviews and other clips. A pack of sailors enters with the 80s-Cher dressed in the Hole fit. This was a hippier, more full-figured Cher. And I like these variations. She was less of a powerhouse of a singing voice than the other two but my group all agreed she had the best talking voice. I don’t see why the “Cher voice” is necessary but people seem to like to understand Cher as this drawling creature (they, likewise, make Sonny cartoonishly nasally) when normal people using normal voices would probably do. My group noted that this show is very old Broadway and I agree that the characters were all broadly played. “Cher puts the Broad in Broadway”…okay I’ll stop now.

One thing this musical does is that it embellishes. This Cher’s holefit had wings. Which is a fiction. Which reminds us, this isn’t a documentary. It’s part fiction. It has embellishments and conflations. Cher never wore wings with her holefits. The holefit was enough.

Likewise, the 60s Cher also was not known for bare midriffs. She showed much less skin in the 1960s. But the archetypical Cher outfit for 60s Cher is a halter top. So 70s Cher is dressed too conservatively and 60s Cher too scantily.

One of the things Robrt Pela and I talk about in the interview is a survey of fans and non-fans I did years ago that amounted to people saying Cher was resilient and strong (as a single impression). The musical underscores how this is only part of the story and really focuses on Cher’s fear and the overcoming of fear. This time I noted all the ways it does this. Cher, according to both this musical and her memoir, never feels naturally, organically strong and fearless. The 60s Cher is especially shy and tentative. Which means, this is something we project on to her as an audience. We see the results not her struggle to get there.

During the scene where Georgia and John Southall, Cher’s step-dad, (as opposed to John Sarkisian, her biological dad), take little Cher to Grauman’s Chinese Theatre, Georgia tells Cher, “life can be scary.” There’s another line about fear, “the real you is terrified.” Another line: “See what happens when you high-kick fear in the butt?” And “being shit scared and facing it anyway.”

One of the effects of seeing a Broadway show is shock and awe, usually from the huge stage sets. My first Broadway show was Sunset Boulevard. And I remember thinking, this set is bigger than my Yonkers apartment! The traveling show has traveling sets which are quite a bit smaller and scaled down. The show relies a lot on projected images and a few, representative pieces, like a dressing table to signify Cher’s childhood house. But thankfully there is still a plethora of wigs, costumes and love beads.

And I found it interesting to watch the show after reading Cher’s 2024 memoir. Because not only do we know the story better now, we get more detail in the book. All the broad strokes are fleshed out. Which makes the show seem super-simplistic. Plus the events are not new to readers anymore. But this show is still a good option for those who don’t read celebrity memoirs.

When Georgia tells the kid Cher (technically is this the fourth Cher?) “you may not be the prettiest, smartest most talented,” I heard the crowd in front audibly laugh/groan. Cher has said this quote from her mother for decades. As time goes by, it has less punch. (The crowd did not agree. I do not agree. Howard Stern did not agree). Contrast this to the very similar Silkwood story about the audience laughing when Cher’s name came up during the previews. We feel great sympathy for Cher but we find that event believable. She was undervalued. It’s the flipside of the Georgia Holt story. Holt is talking to a pre-swanned Cher. There’s dramatic irony going on there added to the fact most of Cher’s fans find Cher prettier than Cher finds herself.

When Cher meets Sonny, she is intimidated and embarrasses herself with some inane small talk, “I’m a taurus” and Sonny responds disdainfully, “I’m a Bono.” This dialogue isn’t in the memoir. The musical also claims Sonny is 28 when they meet instead of 27. The musical also has Cher saying, “I like to run through fields of flowers” which if you’ve seen Good Times…

Our party commented that seeing the characters Bridget and Coleen felt like an Easter-egg and at one point one of them tells Sonny that Cher is “someone who will make you feel ten feet tall.” (This is a very concise, telling and bittersweet line.)

The show conflates Cher’s first two meetings of Phil Spector. According to the memoir, she didn’t actually meet him with Sonny. She had met him before with previous boyfriend Nino Tempo. This is where they had the famous French exchange which is not depicted here. (Spector: “Coulez vous coucher avec moi?”  Cher’s sassy response: “Pour de l’argent.”)

The Spector sessions scene has a great line though, maybe from Sonny: “Like Columbus, the world before Cher was flat.”

The audience engaging in spontaneous clapping gave me cognitive dissonance, to be honest. I’ve been one of a marginalized fan group for so many decades, I initially wonder how non-Cher fans even know these famous tags and triggers? Like S&C coming out to sing “I Got You Babe” (in those furry Sonny boots and there was a story about those in the memoir), or some semi-famous Cher quip, (the line, “I am a rich man”). And then I realize, oh yeah…hundreds of people have now come to a roadshow musical because they actually like Cher (or were dragged here by someone who does…being a Barry Manilow fan didn’t teach me nothin’). Cher’s F.U. Oscar dress eliciting big applause is another example.

The scenes in 60s England were represented with four TV monitors (depicting the flurry of their appearances there) and Union Jacks. Sonny & Cher wear retro-I-Got-You-Babe outfits. Or rather, our shorthanded idea of them, but not exactly it. Similar to Bob Mackie’s recreations for Cher’s “All I Really Want to Do/The Beat Goes On” moments in live shows.

The musical calls them “the world’s first hippies.” Were they though? Possibly. They did fall in between activities of the Beats and the psychedelic bands.

One of the anachronistic things about this musical is the scrambling up of the musical timeline.” When the Money’s Gone” plays with Sonny (so we can re-read this song as Cher’s challenge to Sonny’s love: would he love her without the money she earns for him; and we are left with doubts on this point). My normal distaste for images used in the wrong decade is suspended when song order is scrambled on purpose to raise questions or when lyrics are rewritten for the dramatic situation.

To break it down: we start, of course, with “Turn Back Time” because this is what storytelling is doing. The UK show also included “Believe” in the intro part of the show.

Songs signifying childhood include:

  • Half Breed (Cher is part Armenian and looking dramatically different than her mother and sister)
  • A Dream Is a Wish Your Heart Makes (from Disney’s Cinderella)  (not in the official cast recording)
  • You Better Sit Down Kids (which was changed to “You Better Sit Down Kid” in the UK and traveling US programs and does not get included on the cast recording)
  • Half Breed is then reprised (in the traveling UK and US shows)

Meeting Sonny and Phil Spector-era songs include:

  • Da Do Ron Ron (The Crystals) (not in the cast recording)
  • Be My Baby (The Ronettes) (not in the cast recording)
  • The Shoop Shoop Song (signifying the 60s)
  • I Like It Like That (a Dave Clark Five song in the US/Broadway show that took up valuable real estate for little gain, we thought, and was non included in the UK version or on the cast recording)

Career with Sonny songs include:

  • I Got You Babe
  • Little Man (not in the cast recording)
  • When The Money’s Gone
  • All or Nothing (Not listed in the Phoenix program but I vaguely remember it)
  • Vamp (not in the cast recording)
  • Aint Nobody’s Business If I Do (the Mackie parade)
  • Bang Bang (only in UK and traveling US show)
  • Living in  House Divided (a rare treat)
  • Bang Bang (Reprise for UK and traveling US shows)
  • Believe (Ballad)
  • All I Ever Need Is You (UK position only, the song is moved to Act II for the US shows)
  • Song for the Lonely (interesting end for the Sonny-era)

Solo/Gregg Allman Era songs include:

  • All I Ever Need Is You (US shows only)
  • Heart of Stone (US shows only)
  • Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves
  • Midnight Rider (Gregg Allman)
  • Ramblin’ Man (The Allman Brothers Band) (US shows only)
  • Just Like Jesse James
  • Believe (UK only)
  • Dark Lady
  • Baby Don’t Go (Sonny’s departure) (not in the cast recording)

Post Husbands/Movie Era songs include:

  • Strong Enough
  • When the Money’s Gone (not in the cast recording)
  • The Way of Love (as an acting performance)’
  • The Beat Goes On (movie montage)
  • It Don’t Come Easy (Phoenix show program) (the Ringo Starr song? I don’t remember this)
  • D’ove L’amore (UK only)
  • I Found Someone (video with Robert Camilletti)

Last songs include:

  • A Different Kind of Love Song  (UK only)
  • Heart of Stone (UK position only)
  • We All Sleep Alone (UK only, removed August 2022)
  • Song for the Lonely (UK added August 2022)
  • I Got You Babe Reprise (UK and US traveling shows only)
  • You Haven’t Seen the Last of Me (Broadway and UK only)
  • I Hope You Find It (UK shows in my program but not on Wikipedia)
  • A Dream is a Wish Your Heart Makes Reprise (US shows only according to my UK program but not listed on Wikipedia and also not in the cast recording)

Finale Medley (US traveling show didn’t list the medley they played)

  • Believe
  • Strong Enough
  • Woman’s World
  • You Haven’t Seen the Last of Me (Broadway only)
  • D’ove L’amore (UK only)
  • Shoop Shoop Song (UK only)
  • I Found Someone (UK only)
  • Believe Again (UK only)
  • Take Me Home (Curtain Call, US only)

So you can see how the songs were used out of order to further the plot. This makes the show a new thing and not just a kind of Review of her existing songs. You can’t sing along to this.  Songs are put into dramatic medleys and used as segues.

I did not know this until Robrt told me but “When the Money’s Gone” is a cover of Bruce Roberts (1995). A nice, sweet version with juicy alternative lines like “Shred the credit cards/just like Watergate” and “black and white TV. When the weekend comes, we can watch Pee Wee.”)

The scene with the television show seem rough as it’s mostly about Sonny’s slave-driving and temper. The joy of working, depicted in the memoir, is absent from the musical. There are lines about bad writing, too, (which is a bit unfair considering the cultural work the show did for women) and there’s a line from about Cher being dismissed with “it’s all about the clothes anyway” which goes into the James Brown song “It’s a Man’s World” (in my notes but not depicted in any of the show programs). This was probably true but it doesn’t map to the memoir, where the censors were discussed but not so much the struggles to work around bad writing. Besides, some of those writers went on to do big things (Steve Martin, Bob Einstein). The musical is dismissive without details.

The big Bob Mackie number really wowed the Broadway crowd. I checked my program pics to confirm this but this show’s parade of outfits couldn’t be track back to real Cher outfits as easily in the traveling show. The Broadway show had recreations of the real iconic Cher outfits: the Ringmaster, one of her recent live Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves outfits, the D2K opener, Laverne, the Rhinestone Cowboy fit from the solo TV show. There was a male dancer in the Phoenix show in drag wearing the Take-Me-Home-Viking-fit with a bare ass that got a big laugh. Looking back at my Broadway program, it was a male dancer in the Half-Breed outfit for that show. So, similar to the UK show, the costumes have been reworked and made “in the style” of Cher, aside from one or two emblematic efforts (like the “I Got You Babe” outfits and the “Take Me Home” one).

The woman next to me would grunt whenever Sonny said something sexist or mean, like she was feeling it viscerally. In fact, there was applauding when Sonny was finally shuffled out of Cher’s life. That seemed harsh, even though Sonny was harsh himself. Sonny was played so broadly, as we’ve said, his scary lines seemed super-scary. And Sonny did have his scary moments but they were conflated here with his controlling moments. For example, he slammed a wall in their 60s kitchen, not a glass mirror in their 70s dressing room (according to the memoir).

The Gregg Allman part never ceases to feel very kitschy. I mean, Gregg Allman…as a character…in a big, broad musical? Singing Cher songs? A Gregg Allman impersonator? It’s just so wonderfully weird. He sings pieces of “Midnight Rider” and “Ramblin’ Man” which reminds me of a meme my friend Coolia just sent me (unrelated):

Sonny and Gregg Allman expressing their discomfort in stepping over each other in Cher’s life during the late 1970s via the song “Dark Lady” and Cher’s duet with Allman on “Just Like Jesse James” are strangely satisfying for the audience.

They mistakenly call the post-solo, reboot of the Sonny & Cher Show, the Comedy Hour and the show wasn’t cancelled after a half a season as the musical states, more like two half seasons and 34 episodes.

In the Robert Altman (discovering Cher as an actress) scene, the audience laughed at Cher’s casual Popeye comment and in this case the musical elaborated farther than the memoir did, having Cher qualify her critique: “It was just so dark.”

There was another line in the musical about there being basically two emotions, fear and love and love is the better side of it because it’s full of vulnerability. (Which is very astute.)

The infomercial filming seemed revealingly harsh, the depiction of the director. That didn’t seem pleasant.

And even though they cheered when he exited, we all got teary when Sonny came back as a ghost. Cher still needed to talk to him.

The Assets

This show has no swag. I tried to remember the traveling shows of my youth and can’t remember swag at the outdoor Muny theater in St. Louis either after Show Boat. But then, I wouldn’t have gone looking for it.

On my ticket, this introduction was printed: “Superstars come and go. Cher is forever. For six straight decades, only one unstoppable force that has flat-out dominated popular culture – breaking down barriers, pushing boundaries and letting nothing and no one stand in her way.” [Ok that sentence is a bit much. Things did, in fact, stand in her way quite often], the kid, the glam pop star and the icon. 35 smash hits, two rock-star husbands, a Grammy, Oscar, Emmy…enough…Bob Mackie gowns to create a sequin shortage in New York City, all in one unabashedly fabulous new musical that will have audience dancing in the aisles!”

Well, in Phoenix they weren’t.

While we were all talking about how we became Cher fans, I told the story of starting out as a Sonny & Cher fan, how I loved their charisma, their glamour (another visiting cousin confided to me last weekend she had a crush on Sonny), their glamour and how they were never boring. How Cher has carried on that tradition and how I can now enjoy being a fan through scholarly digs and also the same childhood delight.

Impersonators can’t recreate that. The impersonation gets in the way.

Robrt and I also talked about how this show is about anxiety and fear as much as resilience. About the great wall of fear. And how Cher’s impact and legacy may still be evolving in these very times of political fear. We’re gonna need these lessons in overcoming anxiety. This is a time when the powers in place want to put women and minority groups back in our place (their words). And therefore, this musical takes on a practical value, being as much about vulnerability as it is about heroics. We see Cher doing this work of encouraging us during her Hall of Fame speech last October: “don’t give up, you belong here.”

At least, it affects me that way personally.

This musical is one of the lucky things we have now that provide meaning for the last seven decades of Cher: music, a musical, a memoir, dolls, perfumes, a skin care line, a Vegas poker machine, cookbooks, maybe someday a movie, a video game, a board game, who knows.

Cher Scholar Review of The Memoir

Big Points

I’m not going to rehash the whole new Cher book. It should be read fully to get the feel of the old tales and new revelations. I’m just going to give my overall opinion and point out a few interesting patterns and things.

Apparently there were three ghostwriters and an editor who make weeklong house calls to  Malibu to hash out this thing out over four months. The first one produced a book of facts, the second one got Cher halfway into telling stories she didn’t really want to tell and the last one got her much farther along. Cher says a fourth edit would have been best. To me, this doesn’t sound like a failure of the ghostwriters, just the normal writing process, drafting and drafting, restarting and rejiggering until you get closer and closer until you finally give up and let it be what it is.

The project from the start was a difficult business, how to balance the obscure details fans want and with the big, over-told stories and basic life structure the nonfans need. I wouldn’t want to be the one to do it. Kudos to all the writers who brought this thing into existence, including Cher.

I think they did a fine balance myself. I do know some fans who are frustrated by the watered-down Cher storytelling style or the fact that information is missing. Of course there is a lot of missing information. I have my own list; you’ll see below. But I think those are understandable. Cher gets to decide. And the book ticks all the main boxes for me: it fleshes out her genealogy, covers her music experiences (some more than others), illustrates chosen life stories (much more than I thought we’d get, tbh), what it all felt like. Plus we got a great survey of Cher’s Los Angeles, where she lived and what she loves in L.A. This inspired me to make a map.

And hey, I’ve read all the Cher biographies and this one still felt new to me. It didn’t feel like a rehash of all the previous books. And it remains impressive that Cher had the clout to get a two volume memoir, something only world leaders usually get.

We got way more Sonny stories than I thought we would. As a Sonny & Cher fan this made me very happy. Sonny’s memoir is mostly about Cher and Cher’s volume one is mostly about Sonny. The Sonny story is pretty crucial. We did get much less about Gregg Allman than I thought we would and barely anything about Gene Simmons, and Les Dudek was like a sentence. But we got information on all the boyfriends in-between.

And here’s the thing: the Allman and Simmons eras are very well documented in hundreds of magazines, interview clips and news articles that tracked Cher’s every move during those relationship years and other biographies cover them as well. KISS books alone give copious coverage to the Gene Simmons-Cher relationship (for those third grade St. Louis boys mocking it so much). Allman Brothers Band books likewise give much more coverage of their relationship. And the fact is fewer mainstream readers care about those relationships. Cher’s childhood and genealogy is not covered anywhere and so that information gives us clues into her personality. So if we had to choose between one or the other: childhood should get the ink. And I’ve always maintained that your genealogy works its way up through you in powerful and sometimes unseen ways.

It reminds me of Carol Burnett’s prequel memoir about growing up in Hollywood and living with her grandmother, One More Time (1986). It had nothing about her life in show business, which we didn’t get until her second book came out, Time Together: Laughter and Reflection (2011) . In a sense, Burnett too managed her story over two books.

I feel the same way about the incorrect facts. I do wish there had been some fact-checking for a few things but those are all things we can easily verify elsewhere (which is why fact checking seems like such a no-brainer). For example, as we know very well from last year’s blog posts, Cher’s advice column was not in Tiger Beat. It was in 16 Magazine. Although fans pretend to be aggravated by those finds, I think they are fun to find on some level because it gamifies the book for fans.

And although it was only a sentence, I loved the part where she talked about her fans, that if they don’t like something she tries, they still like her as an artist and person. That’s so important to say because Cher fans are so different and yet so open. And at the end of the day they are fans of Cher and not an accumulation of Cher stuff. I do think some artists would rather just be appreciated for their production. Either they don’t feel much like a person or they don’t want a kind of personal attention or maybe they just want the cash.

But then again, Cher does care an awful lot about the cash, by her own admission. And the reason for that, we can now see, goes back to childhood experiences.

This book reminded me there were a few categories I forgot when I was listing what musical movements Cher was  a part of. I mentioned she was a member of Phil Spector’s Gold Star Studios circle, part of the mid-1960s Southern California Pop scene (with the Mamas and the Papas, the Byrds, the Beach Boys, the Turtles and the Association) and was involved with The Wrecking Crew. But I forgot to mention she was an accidental part of the British Invasion. So weird but true.

And there were two scandals I would have liked to have heard Cher’s perspective on, both taking place during the Gregg Allman era: the Jenny Arness suicide and the Scooter drug trial. It’s hard to know how personal Cher wanted to get but she did give us much more information about the Average White Band/Ken Moss drug party. Cher was also quite candid about her fans (and the rest of America) criticizing her relationship with Gregg Allman and how she felt about it. That coupled with her fan appreciation sentence made me think about all the things fans have been through with Cher.

I made a list.

  • The drug film Sonny made and their sudden subsequent uncoolness.
  • The big style transition from the 60s to the 70s where a bunch of kiddos (enter moi) and old farts jumped on the Sonny & Cher bandwagon to the probable annoyance of existing 1960s fans.
  • Divorcing Sonny.
  • The hookup with Gregg Allman.  (I missed all this because I was in the single digits and didn’t read the news).
  • Dating Gene Simmons and having to endure the whole hiding-in-a- hankey thing but also KISSness in general (and having to hear third grade boys disparage Cher as the Yoko Ono of KISS…and oh the sorrows I have seen!)
  • Black Rose sublimations of Cherness.
  • Epstein-Barr (would we ever see Cher again!?) and the infomercials (I am the oddball fan that loves those probably for the same reason I love Vincent Price on a cooking show).
  • The younger boyfriend  mini-scandals.
  • The occasional verbal missteps that fire up a press but come and go.

Childhood

Although most reviewers wanted to discuss Cher’s experiences with her extraordinary mother, Georgia (and this book was just as much a biography of Georgia as about Cher), I thought Cher did a good job bringing John Sarkisian to life. He had always seemed like a flat villainous character before. I think one of the good things about this book is that it doesn’t try to villainize anybody. Interviews and press liked to draw out the shitty things Sonny did, but in the book people are drawn in their mysterious complexity: Cher’s birth father, her step-father, John Southall, Sonny, and even to a lesser extent Gregg Allman. It’s ironic that she describes Sarkisian as a spoiled youngest son because Cher’s mother was the most unspoiled child as there ever was. How did that even work?

It was also interesting to understand how Cher’s surnames evolved and when they were attached to her and how that affected her identity in odd ways. Pinky Sarkisian is forever etched into my imagination now. It has a lovely internal rhyme.

I appreciate the listing of movie and musical influences, both early and teenage. There were some obscure names in there (obscure now anyway) and it will be interesting to keep thinking about how Cher internalized those influences.

We knew nothing about her step-grandparents before and as it turns out they had a big influence on Cher’s idea of fashion in show business. The button box detail. (There were some great details to bring stories beyond sketches.)

A graphic detail Cher describes a childhood foot injury that she says gives her a “distinctive looping gait “(the Cher strut?) reminded me of the stage foot injury that happened somewhere during the Farewell tour and how much she depends on her feet.

When talking about her family, you got more of a sense of Cher’s feelings about things. This was what I think felt so compelling since she’s usually presenting as such a tough cookie. This especially goes for the very touching relationship between Cher and her sister, Georganne (or Gee). Those moments, in brief snippets, were very moving.

Over and over in this memoir cycle, Cher claimed the usage of “Babe” in “I Got You Babe” went back to her mother’s glam usage of the term. This differs from critics who liked to say Sonny was ripping of Bob Dylan’s 1964 “It Aint Me Babe.”

Cher also brought to life her time studying with Jeff Corey and her first jobs at Robinsons department store and even more detail about working at See’s Candies. And she sorts out all of Georgia’s husbands and lovers for us. That has always seemed sketchy and confusing before. And you can see how disruptive the constant moves become, the patterns that form between Georgia’s upwardly mobile times with her husbands (for the most part) leading to Cher’s glimpses of wealth in Beverly Hills and New York City, in contrast to severe poverty they experienced living in the Valley, where support systems of women took over. You can see these female support systems in Cher’s adult life entourage as well.

Cher’s early viral illnesses also tie into her later struggles with Epstein-Barr Syndrome and Chronic Fatigue.

Cher with Sonny’s parents and daughter, Christy.

Sonny

I believe that for decades Cher has been telling us the truth about Sonny but we just couldn’t hear it. She spells it out as much as possible here. I had no idea the infamous Melissa was gay. That puts quite a spin on Sonny’s ill-fated crush. Cher talks about Sonny’s beautiful hands again. “I just thought this guy was special. Everyone loved Sonny.” She doesn’t recount his childhood as all the other bios do (well enough). She does note that he was kicked out of LA’s Englewood High School for hiring a black band for prom. She sorts through his odd jobs, who his friends were (Sam Cooke, Jack Nitzche), what his music creds were up to that point. I love thinking about Little Richard pretending to hit on Sonny and eliciting an eye roll. Her opinion of their relationships with Phi Spector.

Cher mentions multiple times how Sonny was an avid photographer and took the photo of her standing against the wall at Gold Star Studios. I’m not quite sure which one she means. Which is why it would be good to get a book of Sonny’s photographs someday (maybe sprinkled with some recipes?). Cher says she admired way he “put everyone at ease.”

One of my favorite parts of the book was the listing of locations in Los Angeles, the clubs they went to, the restaurants, the record business hangouts, the houses where they lived. And this part has some of the best, almost unCher-like quips, like her story about how she came to be friends with Sonny and live with him, wrapping it up with  “And that’s how I became the potty-mouthed sidekick to a man 11 years older than me who was in the middle of a divorce. I thought Sonny was the coolest person I’d ever met.”

She doesn’t shy away from discussing all the womens. Sonny would say when women came over, “That’s just Cher. I was just Cher.” And all those women’s attempts to wrestle Sonny into compliance or to wrestle money out of him. Apparently he was dating several women, and not just one who claimed she was  pregnant and wanted abortion money. Cher claims one of these women used the money to get their teeth fixed. Cher also claims Sonny wasn’t really a catch. He had no money and drove a Chevy Monza (in a sentence, how we judge men by their status as indicated by their cars). Cher would sit in the bedroom watching TV or drawing during his escapades. It’s fascinating to think about.

Cher is also pretty honest about her own complicity in slowly losing her autonomy in this relationship, how early illnesses cemented their roles as a woman to be helped and the “macho Sicilian.” Cher says, “I came to feel that he was the kind of guy who’d be there if something bad happened. Before too long, I thought the sun rose and set on his Sicilian ass, even though I knew that I wasn’t his type.” There’s a lot going on in that passage.

“Before too long I began to hero worship my roommate. The feeling wasn’t mutual.”

Cher describes herself as a kid full of phobias and panic attacks and how she evolved from a tag-along to a love interest over time.

And Cher never did expect any high romance. (It was astounding to me how unromantic both of her legal weddings turned out to be.)

Another fascinating character in the book was Uncle Mikey, Georgia’s brother. He was also a very shadowy character in prior books. His highs and lows were fascinating, including the high’s of owning two L.A. nightclubs, The Purple Onion (important to Cher’s story as the first live performance she ever gave) and the Haunted House on Hollywood and Vine, which fans know from the Halloween promotional video where they tour the club and dance. From watching Rifftrax movies, I also recognized the club as the main setting for the movie The Girl in Gold Boots. Cher described it as a “kitschy, goth go-go bar.”

Cher talks about their dogs, Sonny’s aptitude for fatherhood,  (very good, not surprising) and life with both his daughter Christy and also times when Georganne lived or traveled with them. Cher goes more into the Gold Star days than I thought she would. More than even the experiences recording her own albums. Cher doesn’t say much about times spent with Sonny’s family but that she liked his sister Betty. (Fran is the sister who wrote the book about their family’s legal battles, Bono vs. Bono. where family episodes with Cher can be found.)

Cher is faithfully honest about Sonny’s professional attributes (mostly his unwavering belief in Sonny & Cher) and his faults (he started to become controlling pretty early). She admits (similar to many other once  controlled women),  his perceived jealousy and attempts at controlling her “thrilled me because it meant he cared.”

You also come to appreciate how Sonny became Cher’s Dumbo’s feather.

And most of the Sonny section is about how long it took for her to understand that she could support herself both physically, financially and emotionally. She could live without this great love. She could deal with the business of show business herself (with help).

Cher says some of the happiest days of her life were these early years with Sonny when they were living together and working at Gold Star. She details the ups and downs of Sonny & Cher, from the days playing in bowling alleys, roller rinks and later in small nightclubs, who they opened for in the beginning (The Ronettes), who they headlined with (The Beach Boys, The Mamas and the Papas, The Righteous Brothers) and who they fell to the bottom of the bill with after their careers imploded (King Curtis and the Kingpins).

She tells of an early album of covers she did that was scrapped. Oy. All the fans wish we could hear those and other lost tracks. It sounds like “Yes Sir, That’s My Baby” was also a Sonny & Cher, Brian Wilson, Darlene Love, Jack Nietzsche, Jackie De Shannon song under Phil Spector with the moniker of Hale and the Hushabyes,

Without rancor, Cher talks about early players, Coleen and Bridgit, managers Charlie Greene and Brian Stone. Remember they did a tabloid tell-all about Cher in the 1980s that resulted in me sending Cher a fan letter about to Cher telling her how outrageous it was. Cher says those managers were “brilliant liars, committed, charming.” Although she doesn’t believe, for reasons she explains, that the London Hilton episode was pre-planned. she says the managers did spread a rumor that a Saudi Prince had asked if Cher was for sale. How that was supposed to drive record sales, I do not know. (She says the lyrics of Ma Rainey’s “See See Rider” were changed to add a reference to the London Hilton.)

We see the first meeting of Cher and The Rolling Stones. One particularly funny story is about how Mo Ostin accidentally signed Sonny & Cher twice. Cher claims Bob Dylan loved her version of “All I Really Want to Do.” Other accounts say he didn’t like it. The picture of Sonny & Cher with Dylan was taken with Sonny’s camera. Cher explains the difference in stories between later managers Joe DeCarlo and Denis Pregnolato. One helped Cher, one ratted her out. She explains Sonny’s nose job and how his nose was ultimately an illustration of his resilience and strategy.

Cher charts the rise of “this odd little song” that was “I Got You Babe” and how the time in England were more of her happiest days with Sonny, how he told people she was “the missing piece” and they went from being labeled freaks in America to becoming famous overnight in England and returning as a mis-identified part of the British Invasion, with all the hysteria that entailed. Cher says she didn’t know she’d be singing the song for the next fifty years [on and off].

Is it me or is the “Laugh at Me” Martoni’s Restaurant story missing from the book? It seemed such a foundational story about how they were treated by “the establishment.” I wonder why it was omitted. She does talk about the cover up story about the fake Tajuana wedding.

And that she’s known her interior designer Ron Wilson since the Encino house. And he has decorated 19 houses for her over six decades. She’s got her people who are loyal to her, another case in point.

She talked about the unrelenting work: gigs, recording sessions, interviews, TV appearances, no dinners, movies or vacations. Only shopping. But she was torn because all the work meant more time with Sonny. And she says she didn’t like it when TV shows treated them like a novelty act. Cher says she started to become a shadow.

She talks about her relationship with Richard Avadon, the champion of the unusual looking. “We weren’t beautiful in the traditional sense at all.” The squared-off nails pic was from the first session (later they would revisit her nails in another 1970s shoot). She says Avedon and his stylists “made me feel beautiful for the first time in my life.”

Cher talked about her first experience with then-reporter, future Mask director Peter Bogdanovich who reviewed a show they did for Princess Margaret and he said they “howled like coyotes” among other insulting things for his Saturday Evening Post profile.

Cher talks about being an abstainer, like Sonny, but not caring if everybody else imbibed (her mother and uncle did, not to mention Sonny’s prescription usage) so she wasn’t supportive of Sonny’s drug film and she said it hurt their career instantly. “Record sales dropped immediately and offers dwindled.”

Cher admits that “keeping us relevant was a lot of work” and it made Sonny moody. Cher gave him some journals [which Mary Bono sold in 1998 to People Magazine after Sonny’s death] and they often communicated through those pages although she didn’t see, until years later, the moving entry he made on his 33rd birthday.

Enter William Fredkin, who was friends with Sonny, and stories about the movies Sonny & Cher made. This started Sonny down a path of thinking he was a movie maker, getting caught sleeping with his secretary and his jealousy surrounding Stephen Whitaker (no kissing!), Cher’s befuddled co-star in Chastity. She said Harold Battiste read a book on scoring so he could do the movie score for Good Times. Cher also loved the cool jazz version of “I Got You Babe.” [Me too; I played it at my wedding]. Cher seems to have fond memories of making Good Times, which was filmed in their Encino home. She talks about their customized ’64 mustangs (which she looks at every time they come up for auction), how she didn’t believe Sonny would ever get the movie made and once he got the funding she felt like “oh shit.”  She was on the birth control pill and felt chubby during the filming, having gained 15 pounds. She both loved and felt sorry for George Saunders and he was surprised at her classic movie knowledge. She talks about the elephant Margie.  Chastity was a shoestring affair with a 15-person crew. Cher doesn’t name him by name but says the director was a real person who had only done commercials before. They wore their own clothes. Cher admits she could have been offended by the portrait that was inspired by both Cher and her old friend Melissa.

Sonny had many more movie plans, a “Beat Goes On” musical and an animated film. The films were flops, each for different reasons, and this depressed Sonny. The firing of Greene and Stone sounds unpleasant. Cher says she liked Led Zepplin and wanted to change with the times but Sonny was 33 and was determining their direction. She talks about her miscarriages and the funny diagnosis of “an angry uterus.”

Cher took Sonny’s cheating, when she walked in on it, pretty hard. Sonny, like a true narcissist, blamed her for the situation in various conflicting arguments. She said she was “overloaded with sadness” and came to understand her mother had been hearing stories for a while. [But then oddly Georgia often chose Sonny’s side in later years.] Cher lightly goes into conflicts with her mother but it’s vague what the fallings outs were over. Later Cher admits everybody knew about Sonny’s affairs but her.

In the midst of these new relationship issues, Sonny and Cher start moving into the Tony Curtis houses (the St. Cloud house and the Owlwood house or “the big house”) and it’s surprising to know they owned them together at the same time. The Owlwood House on South Carolwood, a famous LA. house has a whole chapter in a book written about it (Michael Gross’s Unreal Estate: Money, Ambition, and the Lust for Land in Los Angeles) and is allegedly one of the biggest money sinkholes in Hollywood due to its gargantuan size (9 bedrooms and Cher said you could “starve to death” trying to find your way to the industrial kitchen). No one seems to hold on to it for very long. So to manage that house and another Bel Air house at the same time is a bit astonishing and shows how much cash flow Sonny & Cher might have had in the early 1970s.

As I said, we get more information about making Phil Spector records than we do Sonny & Cher records unfortunately. The rumor was Sonny’s production process was brutal on Cher, lots of lots of takes. But Cher doesn’t confirm or deny that. Compare this to all the stories we’ve heard around the making of “Believe.” The exception is the story of all the arguments surrounding the making of the Muscle Shoals Jackson Highway album.

SHEFFIELD, AL – MAY 5: Singer and actress Cher takes a break during a session for her album ‘3614 Jackson Highway’ recorded at Muscle Shoals Recording Studios on May 5, 1969 in Sheffield, Alabama. (Photo by Michael Ochs Archives/Getty Images)

One of my favorite eras of Sonny & Cher happens to be the nightclub era. This is because it feels like a metamorphosis. Although it was rough, it was also a rethinking of what Sonny & Cher were. Plus it seemed very cinematic in its own way. For example, the contrasting image of a newly glamourous Sonny and Cher in tux and gown making their way through supper club kitchens and waiting behind swing doors for their  cues, navigating the hecklers, the low turnouts, the band, the bad motels, the delight of a baby and toddler, (“Christmas everyday,” Cher’s words) and Sonny’s storytelling, “Good Princess Garbage Who Loved Garlic,”  truly two people with their backs against the wall. Their relationship coming back together through the hardship of small time showbiz, Cher’s wise acre personality finding its way into the show.

The TV Shows

And that all paid off. I was always under the impression that the Nitty Gritty Hour was sort of a pilot episode for The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour and not a first attempt that didn’t go anywhere as Cher describes it.

She reminds us that their summer replacement led into the Henry VIII miniseries (which probably helped). She does list the names of her supporting actors: King, Cullen, Langston, Steve Martin, Teri Garr (who she says was “funny enough to have her own show”). Sounds like Ret Turner and Ted Zeigler were her favorites. She says her hair was a problem until Renata came abord and that she always did her own makeup until Mask. Before doing her solo number, she would always ask stage manager to go find Sonny so he could watch her sing from behind camera and she did this even after their divorce. Recently I found a scrapbook photo of just that backstage moment.

She also explained a big mystery to me: what that Bono Award statue was. What the heck was that? It was an Oscar with large nose and mustache. Ahhh. Oy.

I love the weekly schedule run-throughs. Carol Burnett did this in her book, too. What happened Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, weeks they had to double-up due to concert commitments (50 a year) or recording albums in one week with Snuff Garrett. (Cher admits she doesn’t “like story songs much.” )

Cher talks of being permanently tired but knowing “this is what I was supposed to do” and that it was fun singing “the best song” referring to the Vamp song. Of Sonny & Cher, “that’s all we want to be and that’s what we were.” Besides, she had Sonny in her ear saying “this is our time.”

Little did he know, Cher would take over time itself.

Cher was called at the time one of the top 10 best dressed women in America. Their TV show was in the Top 10. Enter Irwin Spiegel. Sonny starts smoking cigarillos and calling himself El Primo. No one was ever allowed over to “the big house” except on Christmas, Thanksgiving or Chastity’s birthday. (What a waste of all that space!)

It was also interesting to me that Sonny booked them on the Playboy TV show and they accepted gifts from Hugh Hefner (that big lion on the album cover depicting Chastity’s bedroom), but after their separation, Sonny would use her friendship with Hefner to try to say she was an unfit mother in their custody battle. Sheesh, Sonny.

But then Cher meets Paulette in 1972 and this is very crucial to the story. Getting to know Paulette better in the book is very, very important. She’s described as “a breath of fresh air” to Cher. She arrives as the girlfriend of their road manager but eventually becomes Cher’s assistant. She’s worldly in all the ways Cher is not. They swap desires to live each other’s lives. Cher is in a very bad place, not eating, sleeping and by her own admission “needlepointing herself to death.” She has been on the edge, literally, of not one but several balconies. (Oy. Imagine.) She has no control over her life and Sonny is forcing her into a schedule she doesn’t want. She’s watching Paulette and being pulled toward these after-show band hotel-room gatherings Paulette recounts to her. Meanwhile the guitarist has a crush on Cher. It involves a riff and an Etch-a-sketch and it’s where the book slows down remarkably into a veritable suspense story.

So one night in drummer Jeff Porcaro’s room (don’t get me started on the Toto thing, please), Cher breaks ranks and all hell breaks loose. David Brenner is involved, the whole band is involved. Sonny gets dark.

They go on with the show and an episode with The New Seekers, of all people. Cher tells of the Mother Nature skit in that episode in her book. Sonny tells another version of the same story in his. Cher maintains that they were not, in fact, great actors. But that they genuinely enjoyed doing the show and had work chemistry even as they were breaking up. Sonny’s account isn’t identical to this. People who worked on the show wrote about the famous Battling, Bickering Bonos and how Sonny and Cher would go their separate ways immediately after coming off stage.

Which is heartbreaking for all us kid fans who had their imaginations ignited by Sonny & Cher existing that stage ramp with Chastity. What other stage door was so pregnant with meaning as theirs? It’s like we hated to see them leave and had to keep imagining them living life as they disappeared into silhouettes. One of my favorite pictures of them is from a Cher tour book, Sonny & Cher exiting the TV stage with Chastity.

But then as Anthony Kiedis notes in his own memoir, Cher babysat for Sonny’s girlfriend’s kids (Kiedis) during this time. So…it sounds genuinely complicated.

Post Sonny

So the excitement keeps on keeping on after Cher separates romantically from Sonny. For one thing she remarks about “dressing without permission” and I think that’s an important phrase we also heard her use on the book’s speaking tour. Women wearing what they want to wear is one thing, but then braving criticism about it is another. Just the agency to wear WTF you want I think is something we take for granted now. Something men take for granted and something young women also take for granted. Bodily agency is what is being enacted here. And it’s been dismissed (sometimes even by me) as frivolous. It’s not.

Cher also depicts funny post-Sonny moments, like the first time she guffs signing a check with “All my love, Cher.”

We find out that the brother of the guitarist Bill Ham is Cher’s sometimes saxophonist Warren Ham (ex: Black Rose).

And besides lame weddings, the things Cher had to put up with astounded me. Just Bill Ham asking her what movie she wanted to see. David Geffen given her the first valentine’s day gift ever received (she cried). It’s incredible! The 600 cassette tapes she bought because she was finally allowed to explore her own music tastes.

I also found her relationship with Sonny’s girlfriend Connie very interesting. The whole Girls Room thing.

She talks about the affairs with David Paich and mentions the tour with the Toto guys, how she met David Geffen and their early days and all the famous rock stars she got to know through him. And all the movie stars, directors and producers. How Sandy Gallin, Jack Nicholson, Anjelica Hooton and Warren Beaty all kept Cher’s relationship with Geffen a secret as part of Cher’s agreement with Sonny to not be seen in public with another man. Oy vay!

This statement when talking about Geffen thinking she would jump him: “I never made the first move with a guy in my entire life.”

Geffen famously rescued Cher from involuntary servitude with Sonny. That’s all well known. Cher states quite clearly, “Sonny was undoubtedly responsible for making us who we were but…he could never achieved that without my voice.” Cher references having to do this performance after one contract fight.

I did not know Cher had won a Golden Globe for Best TV Actress in 1974. She also won one in 1984 for Best Actress in a Supporting Role (Silkwood) and in 1988 for Best Actress (Moonstruck).

Cher and Joni Mitchell

At Bob Dylan’s famous birthday party she sang “All I Really Want to Do” with him and The Band and, I ididn’t know this, “Mockingbird” with Rick Danko. I wondered how hard it was for Sonny to see Cher’s experience and deep entree into the music business on the arm of David Geffen at that time. She penetrated the in-crowd of the music business in ways he never would. Although even so, the music biz always kept Cher at arm’s length.

She is quite candid about the Average White Band overdose party scandal. “Ken moss told everyone I was being an alarmist.” Wow.

She talks about the struggles with her own solo show after David Geffen stopped helping her get the best musical guests (because he was mad she left him for Gregg Allman which is understandable).  There were the censors who “read sex into everything,” the fact that the show was up against The Wonderful World of Disney.

She was at the Troubadour to see Etta James when she met Gregg Allman. The story is pretty funny. She was there with Geffen, Paulette, and Tatum O’Neal (she references O’Neal a bit dismissively, there’s probably an untold story or two in there). Allman’s friend Chank gave Cher a note that started with, “dear enchanted lady” and ended with his phone number. There’s no mention of a finger sucking in this retelling of their first, disastrous date. The second date entailed dancing and went much better. Cher’s take of the Allman Brothers Band is that they were jealous and undermining of Gregg. She admits it was a mistake to have him come on her show, a “lose lose” proposition for everyone. She says the wedding was “not romantic” and there was no honeymoon and he “was gone the next morning”…which strikes me as a more egregious move than leaving his “dope kit” behind. Cher says it was hard to make these mistakes as “the most famous woman in America.”

Her show then went up against The Six Million Dollar Man during its second season and that show was a phenomenon. (Sonny guest starred on it, to add insult to injury.)

She didn’t see much of Gregg during the reboot of The Sonny & Cher Show, she says. He was kind of miffed about the whole thing, thought he was being made a fool of. I can see his point of view. The birth of Elijah seems very dramatic as it fell in between Allman’s rehabs. I forgot after reading the book the whole complicated story and if Allman was even there for it or not (he was and it sounded very moving; he named Elijah). But it Sonny who was on the road with Cher for many of Elijah’s milestones in hotel hallways (similar to the toddlership of Chas). This explains why during Cher’s Take Me Home tour we saw all those photographs Cher said Sonny took of Elijah.

Cher says it was a surprise to find out The Sonny & Cher Show was cancelled while she was on the road with Sonny. That’s surprising to me too considering the last show seemed so…well final.

Cher said it was her idea to drop her name from Allman and Woman and that her favorite track on it is “Do What You Gotta Do.”

The Gene Simmons section is even shorter than the Allman part (could they have warranted a chapter each?) but Cher tells the story of the $2,800 phone call he made to her from Japan. Simmons was really good with her kids, she says, giving KISS-fan Chasity lots of memorabilia, giving Elijah his first guitar and teaching him how to swim. Life in a bandana was a problem, though, as it turns out. It was hard to have a private life with paparazzi inside every restaurant. It’s very hard to eat pasta with a bandana on.

The rest of the book is about the Black Rose / Take Me Home Tour eras which included the factoid that Michael Keaton was the opening comedian for the Take Me Home shows, Cher’s affair with Les Dudek while working on Black Rose and Cher’s failed attempts to break into acting or even get an acting agent, despite being in the lucky position of having actors, producers and directors as friends. She only got encouragement from Shelly Winters and Francis Ford Coppola (who used to play cards with Sonny at the Encino house). She said Jack Nicholson got her the audition with Mike Nichols for The Fortune and she tells the story about why A Star Is Born didn’t happen.

She lists out the names of her dancers who all died of AIDs while only in their 30s. She also talks about her new assistant (after Paulette left to be with Dickey Betts), how Deb Paull had no experience but was crucial in helping Cher get over her stage freight before the new tour, her first without Sonny, shows where the mic went out, the fire alarm went off and how she broke Sinatra’s attendance record and cab drivers would recommend the show to tourists.

The books literally ends with all the reasons Cher was getting movie role rejections: she was too old, too ethnic, too tall, too typecast as Cher, and had a punchline for a personal life. It’s a great place to end the first book.

The Possible Movie

As I said in a previous post, I think this book contains the synecdoche that represents the whole of Cher’s life, an era that defines the other eras.

The early 1970s journey back from being rock stars and those supper-club indignities feel like a very tactile beginning, their traveling nucleus,  their backs-against-the wall bonding through small tours. A movie could allude to everything that came before. Big concerts and tv shows never film as well. They always come across as flat and kitschy. With live shows, you very literally “had to be there.” These times on the road feel very 1970s, and also very A Star Is Born. (Which, by the way, Sonny and Cher track better to A Star is Born than Cher and Gregg Allman do.) It’s also interesting that when things were bad professionally, Sonny and Cher became good again personally.

Casting is always tricky with both Sonny and Cher. Imitations always collapse in flat cartoonishness. Which is egregious considering Cher is one of the most multi-dimensional people in show biz people. The actors should be cool but not publicly understood as cool. Steve Buscemi is a good example I always give. Before their time people. Under the radar people. Despite being right there. (Which reminds us of Sonny’s idea that being before your time is as bad as being behind your time.) They don’t even need to look like Sonny or Cher. It can be an allegory.

The core action is Cher leaving Sonny. That wasn’t the hard part of the memoir to write for nuthin. It pretty much is the movie. It’s the most dramatic sequence in the book by far. Because the first hard thing you have to do is the hardest hard thing you will ever have to do. This is  Cher’s first quintessential solo battle. It’s where the character discovers her strength.  And nothing afterwards could happen if this didn’t happen. And it was emotionally hard to happen. It was physically hard to happen. It was professionally hard to happen. It was a confluence of a lot of things. And that release of tension would release this very large Cher character into the world.

Meeting Paulette is also important to the story, her worldliness and independence and interactions with the band.

The most dramatic thing is this before and after Cher. Plus it’s about Sonny & Cher, arguably the most charismatic coupling ever. Even Cher will say there will always be Sonny & Cher. Sonny even said something similar on Bob Costas, how a magic seemed to happen when they got together, a frenzy.

At their story’s resolution, the Cher character launches into another life and amazing things the movie can allude to but things most of us  already know.

 

Memoir Archaeology

A playlist of TV show performances Cher specifically references in the book made by Cher scholar Alex:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4KcrHavQ0W-ONF7b3T0Yi2Qd2DcEwOK6&si=EvWJ4a9nLpBMSyyy

This LA map of Cher locations I made:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1msdsjnHHDIPBDyabT2p31zs-ukvqYoY&ll=34.09008937559771%2C-118.38576864999999&z=10

The Memoir TV Appearances

First of all, I’m sorry but this is going to be long. Very long. I don’t have the energy to break it up into multiple posts. Cher did quite a few appearances on television and podcasts, live interviews and Sirius Radio to promote her new memoir, part 1. Which seems to be paying off because the book has topped the New York Times Best Seller list for something like four to six weeks now. And the interviews are interesting for the different angles they explore on the book and because she, in some cases, elaborates on points from the book or they bring up new stories untold in the book.

In the print interviews, there were typical words that would recur: most commonly grit and gutsy. This reminded me of a Cher Zine article I did for Cher Zine 3 in 2011 called “Synonyms for Strong.” I had been a part of a news group years earlier and it had a questionnaire for new fans and I saved them for data review plus the same survey to some non-fans I knew.  Words used to describe Cher were the most interesting part of the study: words like tenacity (ability to survive, survivor, determined, re-invention, resilience), non-conformity was the next popular word (does what she wants, doesn’t care what people think, is not playing the game, is true to herself), third was her bold attitude (boldness, uninhibited, gutsy, courageous, has guts, has moxie, is straight-forward, spunky, tells it like it is, outspoken, speaks her mind) and finally the term self-confidence (self-esteem, tramp but she loves it). All were strong adjectives.

What I find interesting about the TV and podcast interviews is how most of the interviewers ask Cher when her next album is coming out and not when her next movie is coming out. Maybe this is because she’s been attached to so many movies that never got made, that movies for her are now so rare, or because, although she’s a much more acclaimed actress, it’s the music we want.

Here are some of the highlights of those 15 or so interview appearances (that I saw).

CBS Sunday Morning (17 November 2024)

Cher says she felt like she spent half of her adult life writing the book, that it took three drafts and only the last one was close to being right, a 4th draft would have been better. “Like me.” This is the first interview where she talks about how the first drafts were bad because they were just an encyclopedia of facts you could look up (first draft) or because she didn’t want to say much (second draft). She finally felt she had to “do it or give the money back.” She wanted to tell stories but “didn’t have a burning desire” to do the book. As with most of Cher’s projects, she admits she was lured in by the idea that “it would be fun.” But it was instead a lot of work. Some things, like her relationship with Sonny, were hard to explain. And she agonized about those things. She insists here and in other interviews that their television show was not fake affection, even as they were splitting up. But rather it was the only place Sonny and Cher could find peace,  (or Cher could, at any rate), as their relationship deteriorated due to Sonny’s lack of personal interest in the personal relationship and his increasing interest in the business of show business. The show, from Cher’s point of view, was always fun. Cher felt a sense of relief when they were working and more of a sense of equality there because acting came so much easier to her than to Sonny.

Cher then goes into the childhood chapters, how some of her childhood history she didn’t know for many years (the orphanages, the living with caregivers for extended periods, not living with her mother until she was three). Her first memory was of a Bambi highchair. She says she was more surprised by learning of her early shaking beginnings and how her friend Paulette saw the picture of Cher in the orphanage (Cher’s mom Georgia could show it to Paulette but was never able to show it to Cher). The unknown experienced caused a fear of abandonment she’s had her whole life (admitting she is the person to leave most of her relationships first) and a fear of waking up and not knowing where she is. How ironic, Cher says, that she picked a job where she wakes up in different places most of the time. Cher talks about the hard times living with her mother, how she had to be a grownup from the beginning and yet was also really childish. She calls this her “split personality,” how she can still be savvy and naive at the same time. “I was watching and understanding everything…in a childish way.” She says she saw the fights, the chaos but also the fun and the beauty. She talks about how her love of clothing developed from her mother’s friends, “balls to the walls women” who “the moment they got with a man they got stupid.” (Oy.)  She says of her step-dad, “I loved my Dad. I loved him. They were good for each other in one way and so wrong in another. So in love they were both beautiful he was jealous he was flirtatious he had a drinking problem and violent temper.” She said they had to be on guard and hyper-vigilant because “one drink would be the end of everything.”

Cher talks about meeting Sonny who was wearing a mohair suit, mustard color shirt with a white collar and his Cuban (or Beatle) boots. “He was kind of childish. He got to be real with me. I didn’t expect anything. I didn’t want money. Women his age wanted him to be grownup.” She talks about arts and crafts they would do. “Those ladies didn’t want to do that.” She says Sonny was the first person (other than her mother) who thought Cher could be a singer. She talks about being relegated to the chorus in a Junior High production of The Mikado because she was too high for male parts and too low for girl parts. Cher talks about how she was Sonny’s pal at first, just a kid and how she lied to him a few times about her age. And what she felt for him she never again felt for anyone else. “It wasn’t passionate. I just loved him. He could get away with anything. He was different than anyone else and he made me laugh. We had a dream and we started to try to find this dream. He wanted to be the producer and me to be the artist. I didn’t want that. He had tried to be an artist himself and couldn’t do it.” She admits Sonny might have only been pretending stardom was achievable for them. But that ultimately she believed in his belief. “I’m not sure he knew it. I don’t know with him. His faith made you believe. He would propel me and I would go kicking and screaming.” Harry Smith talks about how well their voices blended and Cher admits “He had the worst voice. Mine wasn’t that much better. I didn’t learn how to sing until 15 years ago.” [Many people during these interviews, including me, contend that Cher’s organic, imperfect voice was just fine, maybe even better.]

Cher talks about how Sonny had to find his way in comedy, how he never learned the script or the songs like she would. He would “crash or fall through it. Then we stared laughing and that was his character.” Smith asks her about the phenom of “The Beat Goes On.” He means “I Got You Babe.” Cher again says, “What belongs to you comes to you.” That leads to talk of the lean times and how Sonny and Cher didn’t know anything about money or taxes. And how you shouldn’t bankroll your own movies. She talks about how the comedic Sonny & Cher schtick began with her banter with the band. “They laughed. Then Sonny laughed. Then the audience laughed. Sonny knew there was something there and we started working on that. It took a long time to get that material. I could kind of be who I was onstage. Not so much off.” Then the TV shows. “Freddie Silverman believed in us….People loved it, loved us” but Cher didn’t know it. She was too busy working. She tells the Sax Fifth Avenue perfume department story where she walked through with the show costume designer, Ret Turner, and “everyone just stopped talking” and Turner said, “This is TV famous.” But then  Sonny started to change, smoking cigars, saying things like “run along.” It took Cher a long time to figure out that Sonny stopped caring about her as a wife. She admits Sonny wasn’t jealous. “He had a million women.” She says she didn’t know. “Of course not.” She tells the story about finding him with another woman when he was working on their movie Chastity. Cher reports that he wasn’t faithful to any of the women he was with. But, just as others have said throughout the years, Cher loved Sonny in spite of everything. They were oddly inseparable. “You couldn’t cut it with a chain saw, our relationship. He couldn’t understand it. I couldn’t understand it. I tried my best to explain it.”

Talk then moves to David Geffen, “the sweetest, most fun. most thoughtful boyfriend she ever had.” It was Geffen who dug out her contracts with Sonny and tried to extract her from them. Cher explains how she convinced Fred Silverman at CBS not to pick up the contract on the show in 1974, thereby ending her obligations to work for nothing. Cher then talks about how over the years she asked Sonny in a variety of ways why he cut her out of the earnings entirely. But he was never able to explain why, other than she would leave him some day. [I wonder if this was his way of saying he needed all the money he could get before his days in show business were over.] They move on to Gregg Allman. “I was madly, madly, madly in love with him. He was so sweet and so gentle and so wonderful and he was a heroin addict. I went through a lot with him but we loved each other.” Cher says that at the end Allman’s best friend told her she were the one. Cher says throughout it all, Allman kept trying. She says if you’re a musician and your boyfriend is a musician, there’s a special essence to the relationship, “a spirit beyond being in love.” Cher admitted she wanted to go back to working professionally with Sonny. But America didn’t go for it. “People didn’t like that we weren’t married and that I was with Gregg. His people hated it and my people hated it.” Cher says her early recording days were “not a good time for female artists,” that she never got to choose her songs and that being a solo artist felt not that much different from being a background singer. “Girls run along. There wasn’t much getting control . It took me a long, long time. Even now I make blunders.” “Doesn’t everybody,” Smith asks. Cher says, “I’ve been in the business too long. I shouldn’t be making any blunders. I’m so trusting. I shouldn’t be.”

The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon (18 November 2024) – Interview clipskit

Fallon introduces her by saying, “there’s only one Cher. Icon, legend. (Those pants!) Cher comes out to a standing ovation and asks either innocently or cynically, “Is there a sign that says stand up?” Fallon and Cher do a funny Irish dancing skit. During the interview Fallon talks about his prior ideas for her memoir titles: I Got Scoops Babe, Over-Chering, Breath of Fresh Cher and how he was disappointed with the final result. Cher again talks about parts of her life she wanted to guard, how life is much more complicated than she could explain. Fallon calls Cher “just the coolest. You’re a trailblazer,” how after her failures she reinvented herself. She argues with this. She tells the childhood runaway train story, about how Sonny & Cher couldn’t get traction in the United States because of the way they looked. Of Dia Lupa and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame performance, “I love her. She’s so nice. We hit it off like crazy.” It is here that I learn that Fallon’s house band, The Roots, were the band at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame  ceremony. (This makes sense of the comment I didn’t understand that night. More on that later.)

A few days later, on Thanksgiving, Cher again reappears to do a skit with Fallon where they play The Turkettes, turkeys singing Cher songs.

 

We Can Do Hard Things podcast with Glennon Doyle (19 November 2024)

I had just read Untamed. As the podcast begins, Glennon, Abby (her wife) and her sister Amanda sing “Turn Back Time” together. They say they’re breathless with excitement, called Cher “so warm and wonderful.” They’ll focus on emotionally abusive relationships, Chaz coming out and Tina Turner. “The whole thing is so beautiful” Glennon says and calls Cher a “joyful, beautiful person.” They introduce her as “Cher, the icon.” Glennon said she loved the book, it was “so personal” and tells Cher, “it’s such a gift to learn about you as a person.” Glennon talks about memoir writing and “telling the truth while honoring your people.” Of Cher’s book, she says it was “beautifully done.” They talk about how Cher lost herself a bit with Sonny. But Cher quips that she “was 16 and didn’t have much of a self to lose.” They talk about how forgiving Cher is. And how Sonny struggled early on in the TV show and basically became “ a character who didn’t study his lines.” [In some ways I think Sonny made a better rock star than Cher in that way.] Glennon points out that on the show Cher was “allowed to exist in your Cherness.” Cher said “onstage we were equals. He needed me more than I needed him. Offstage, he was not interested in me being a human at all.” Cher talks about how suicidal thoughts happen when your vision narrows and options seem fewer. The task is to figure out wider options you can’t, at the moment, see. Cher says it never before occurred to her she could leave Sonny. She met him when she was sick and he took care of her and it stayed like that, just gradually worsening into a controlling state. “I never thought to rebel.” But she even forgives herself, “I wasn’t ready until I was ready.” They talk about Chaz being born and how “it lifted me up” and the TV show “lifted me up.” “I wish it hadn’t taken so long.” They talk about advice for women in abusive situations, “If you can’t get out, tell a friend, your mom, get out anyway.”

They then discuss Cher’s current boyfriend, Alexander. Cher says, “it’s very settled. We talk about music, friends, hope, God, desires, Slash, our love of things.” Cher says she’s more willing to argue, “I’m good at conflict, I’ve had it longer and I love him. He thinks he gives more. I think I give more.” Cher talks about the things she learned from her real father “Johnnie” Sarkisian (to differentiate from her step-dad, the man she calls her real father, sister Georganne’s dad, John Southall),  They talk about the last time Cher lost her temper (first answer was with her sister and then she remembers a story about a road manager who shut the door on one of the road crew and how Cher exploded. They talk about her acting career. Cher said she loved Broadway matinees and she compares acting (getting small inside and letting things come out, an internal thing) and singing (let your voice come out). Cher demurs that she’s not an example of courage, “just moving forward, never thought of it as courage.”

The Today Show (19 November 2024)

They introduce Cher as an icon with six decades of songs, anthems all around the world, a TV legend, a movie star, a fashion luminary. Hoda Kotb notes that Cher is always 100% unapologetically herself. Cher says, “It was a journey…when I was 27, I was 16.” At 78, “what are they gonna do to me now?” Cher talks about stories of the orphanage. In different interviews and stories, it seems the political figure changes who rescues Cher back to her mother. It’s a congressman here. She talks about how Sonny dressed so well, the bracelet watch he was wearing when they met and how he had the “most beautiful hands and fingers I’d ever seen.” Cher says “fuck” on TV again during the Eastern Feed after Hoda oddly encourages her to and then frets about it after it happens. She initially says, “we’ll bleep it.” Cher says she stayed friends with Sonny “until before he married Mary I guess.” She talks about how David Geffen and John Sykes helped get her into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. She says her greatest achievement is her children and “not giving up.” She says Katharine Hepburn told her “it gets greater later.” And Cher repeats that “what belongs to you comes to you.”

The Howard Stern Show (20 November 2024)

This was a fascinating interview to me. Stern had been really harsh on Cher after her eulogy to Sonny and I never would have imagined she’d appear on his show. But to Stern’s credit, he’s never intimidated by his guests and pushes them beyond initial answers, which always makes for a more quality conversation.

The interview jumps right in asking Cher about her interactions with Joni Mitchell while Mitchell was living with David Geffen during the making of Court and Spark. And this is also the benefit of a Stern interview, he asks about the cool stuff everyone else ignores. Stern says he can relate to Cher’s mother dramas and “the suffering Olympics.” He indicates her mom might have issues and Cher answered that her mother’s childhood was so horrible. He pushes and they spar on ideas. “<om would go dumb with men,” Cher said, “go Republican if he was.”

Stern admits he both “loved and wanted to strangle Sonny” while reading the book. “Sonny Bono should be in Rock and Roll Hall of Fame” and Cher answers “oh yeah.” They talk about the therapist story (sonny getting intel on Cher through her therapist) and Stern calls it out about how often Cher forgives people (we’re seeing it happen in real time). “You’re so kind to people,” your spirit.” Cher talks about how she felt protective of Sonny during their David Letterman appearance (not distant as Sonny relayed in his book). “He was going there in an emotional way” and Cher felt protective.  Stern says he was shocked by her background. When Cher says The Wizard of Oz was a favorite movie, Stern quips, “Sonny was the wizard of Oz”  and admits he understands that Sonny “really was the color in your life.”

In deeper ways, Stern asks questions about the days with Phil Spector, The Wrecking Crew. Cher admits, “I never had a plan in life” when talking about time with the Spector crew. Sonny told her, “You’re getting a college education,” Cher calls Eartha kit “mesmerizing and wanting to be like Elvis. Her fandom of Bob Dylan, but “All I Really Want to Do” being a monotonous song. She claimed Dylan “loved our version” (over The Byrds’), said it was the best one. Sonny really loved it.” Stern reminds Cher she has sold over 140 million albums. They talk about Sonny’s initial push and how Cher was happy for him to make the decisions. Stern acknowledges that Cher “tried not to make him a villain. Geffen is the real hero of the book.” Cher talks about the musicality of her grandfather, her love of Hank Williams, her lack of musical agency in her career and how girls don’t “take that shit” anymore, how she didn’t know “I Got You Babe” would be a hit but she knew “Believe” would be. She says she wishes she had kept the cleaner shirt cardboards Sonny wrote his songs on. Who would think to but a basson and an oboe in a pop song, Cher says. “Sonny Bono should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame,” Stern says again. Cher says, “Well, yeah.” She recounts how Sonny would sing his songs to their arranger Harold Battiste, who was a genius. Later Cher talks about this again, how Sonny would sing his “crazy ideas” to Harold Battiste who would come up with an arrangement. Cher says “Philip did same thing with Jack Nitzsche. “sing down” ideas.

She says that The Rolling stones hated LA. All they met were “suits,” business people. They saw Jack Nitzsche and Sonny and felt they had found their people. They met Sonny & Cher at the Beverly Hilton lobby and began chatting Cher up. Sonny said “That’s my wife.” [But she wasn’t yet.] Cher tells us that Sonny had camera at the London Hilton as they were being told they had no reservation and he took a photo of their names on the register. [Can we get a book of Sonny’s photographs?]

Cher claims S&C had five songs in top 20, something only Elvis and the Beatles had done up to that time. She laments that out of 600 people, there are only 90 women in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. She says she is happy to be in there “with all these people I respect.” Stern complains that she should have had a meatier induction speaker than Zendaya (although they like her). Cher defends the Hall of Fame broadcast. “For them it was about TV.” Stern asks her who would have been meaningful to you, Paul McCartney, the Stones? Cher says “Jimi Hendrix – he would have been the one.” She then tells her Madison Square Garden story about meeting him. Stern says, “You love musicians” and then goes into interviewing Gregg Allman whom Stern calls a genius. Like Cher, Stern doesn’t imbibe and they talk about drug usage in rock music. Cher says, “They think its gonna make them happy” and that Allman was wonderful person, sweet and smart and funny. Stern is offended on behalf of Cher for Allman’s nickname for her, Chooch (which he says is slang for vagina). Cher contends Allman “meant it in a loving way. (This is weird, Cher defending Gregg Allman sexism to Howard Stern).

Stern admits the obvious, that every guy fantasied about having sex with Cher and that he personally was embarrassed to watch the Sonny & Cher shows in front of parents. This is something I really like about Howard Stern, how he says what few other men have the guts to say, he has the big balls to be honest even if its potentially embarrassing). Stern compares her solo outfits to a kind of strip show. Cher says Sonny was opposed to skimpy outfits because there were 27 million people watching. She talks about Sonny not letting her play music and after leaving him visiting Tower Records in LA where she bought a bunch of Stevie Wonder records.

“The Beat Goes On” Stern says, “that’s a really good song.” Cher says that song was unusual in that she did her vocal for it first, not like in other duets where they would be standing together. They talk about the Carol Kaye bass line, how she was the only women in The Wrecking Crew and the boys were always trying to fuck with her but she wasn’t having it.

They talk about “Gypsies Tramps and Theives.” “I don’t hate it; I have respect for people who love it. I wasn’t a decent singer until a few years ago. The song was picked out for me. I was told to do it….Nobody cared what I thought.  [I often compare this to other singer’s stories about being asked to sing songs they don’t like and how they had agency to rewrite or rearrange those songs.] They admit “Half Breed” would never be released today. Cher says she doesn’t like her voice on it. Stern says, “I think you sound fabulous” but Cher says she had a hard time sustaining a high note and her tongue would stiffen. She said that produced a “weird sound” and that when she hears the song, “I cringe.” She says the song “I Got You Babe” was manifesting what she and Sonny used to dream about. They talk about the odds of having a hit song, how more talented people do not. Often it entails a special quality. They talk about some of the varied guests on the TV shows: Muhammad Ali, Tina Turner, Kris Kristofferson, Truman Capote, Bob Hope, the Jackson 5,  how she was named one of the10 best dressed women in America. They talk about the road blocks she faced trying to get into acting, how even having the most important friends, “as high as you could go,” didn’t help.

Stern reminds Cher that “Sonny’s show tanked and Cher says, “I didn’t want him to fail. He was hysterical,” funny, that “without Sonny, there would be no Cher.” “Stern asks Cher if she was blasé about the musical career?” Cher says “I am a fabulous girlfriend” as they start talking about Gene Simmons. Stern imagines “guys expect fabulous sex” from Cher and she quickly says, “and they get it.” [Interview highlight, right there.] Of all her boyfriends, Cher says only Val Kilmer left. “I was madly in love with him.” Stern wonders if there is only room for one star? Cher says, “Not true.” They talk about the talent of Gregg Allman, how there were great times and how he was “lovely, interesting and fun and horrible…one of the best singers ever” [I can’t get there]. Stern says her male fans were “outraged he has you. No one should have you.” Cher admits, “They hated us.” Of their duet album Cher says, “he was great. I hated what I did. I was running to catch up with him. I was intimidated.” She says it was not a horrible experience.

Cher says Val Kilmer helped her prep for her movie Mask. Stern says her best ‘fuck you’ was her acting career. Cher talks about how nobody is ever allowed to cross from music to movies and about watching the Silkwood movie trailer in Westwood trailer where the audience stared laughing. Cher says it was “so real” and how her sister stared crying and Cher had to bite her cheek. Then she was nominated for an Oscar. Cher says the nominations are always a surprise. You’re just doing your work, your job. They struggle to remember who won best supporting actress that year and finally come to Linda Hunt.

Cher talks about fighting for Nicholas Cage in Moonstruck. In her mind, he was the only one who could say, “Chrissy, give me the big knife.”[Ok, I see her point now about that.] Cher says if she starts looking at other guys, the relationship is over. “Nobody calls me Cher.” Stern remarks on her nicknames for everybody: Philip, Gregory. She says her sister calls her Stupid, Gene called her Puppy, David called her Sweetheart, Alexander says Baby, Gregory Chooch. [They don’t mention Sonny but he did make shirts and hers was Prima Donna.] He reminds Cher she’s had 17 top 10 hit, #1 hits in 7 decades. She says she  stayed for whole Rock and Roll Hall of Fame program. [Even I had thought he had left.] Stern said he assumed she was the first performer so she could go home and go to bed. Cher said it was a TV show; they know who to put on.” She didn’t force them to let her go first so she could leave.

I was wondering if Stern’s prior comments about Cher would be addressed. The mea culpa came at the end. Cher says she hadn’t wanted to do the interview. She’s rather “eat glass” she thought. She wasn’t going to come on. She said she had heard he had said some mean things about her. Stern says, “I’m sorry. I’m a better man now. I was really fucked up. I’m a pain in the ass.” Then he says he voted for her to be inducted. That he was the speaker for Bon Jovi’s induction. So he apologized and said “I’m contrite.” They talk about Richie Sambora. Stern asks her about musical highlights and she talks about opening for The Beach Boys beach boys, meeting the Beatles, that Bob Dylan blew her away, and she finishes with the John Lennon Harry Nilsson story at the Playboy Mansion.

An Evening With Cher: In Conversation With Harry Smith in New York (20 November 2024)

This was the first of Cher’s traveling “talks” about her book. It was also the only one posted in full online. Cher says she never understands why people stands up when she comes on stage. She and Harry change places. “You’re beautiful” and Cher jokes that it “only took three hours.”  Cher said her Dickinsean, Steinbekian childhood will make a good movie, her skid row mom whose father took her to Hollywood to be the new Shirley Temple. She admits Michael McDonald is her woulda, coulda, shoulda. She says she is a good girlfriend, monogamous, funny sweetish, I’m really good, very supportive. Smith says, “to a fault.“ In reference to a picture of Sonny, Cher says “he hadn’t had his nose job yet.” Cher talks about early living with Sonny, how “girls kept coming over and calling all the time” but that he could be playful with Cher who was just happy to be hanging out with him.

Smith talks about how “All I Wanna Do” turned into a duet. He means “Baby Don’t Go.” Cher admits she doesn’t know her address or phone number. She says, “It’s the house with all the palm trees.” (Seriously, that’s what I used to tell my touristing friends who happened up through Malibu). She talks about how much fun Carol Burnett was, how they were both Tauruses. They kid about her name drops: Richard Avedon (I had such a huge crush on him), Jackie Kennedy. She talks about how Sonny played the roles of father, brother, husband, partner and how there were many girls, how he cheated on those girlfriends with one night stand. She talks about the big breakup that started with Sonny’s signing of a three-year contract in Las Vegas. Cher says she asked Sonny for 50% after the breakup and he refused. Cher talks about the journal she bought Sonny, [some of which are in his own memoir and some Mary Bono sold to a People Magazine months after he died.]

They then take audience questions. The first is about Cher being a gay icon. Cher says they both feel like outsiders. Someone asks if she could go back a decade, when would it be. She says the 1980s were fun but she’s having a great time now. Right after leaving Sonny was both joyous and rough. Someone asks her about her West Side Story performance. She talks about discussing it with Art Fisher who was a genius with chroma key, ahead of his time. She says she was a better singer and actress later, indicating maybe she wishes she had waited to do it later. Another question is which Bob Mackie costume is her favorite. She says the Met Gala dress. What is the biggest misconception the public has about her. She says, “I’m really shy when I’m not working” and that performing is a “way to express myself without having to be vulnerable. I know a lot of actors are shy. It’s one of the reasons we do what we do.” She says singing and dancing is like going to a party at someone else’s house, it’s more fun. Acting is like hosting the party at your own house. The next book will cover her acting career. She says she knew all the studio executives, Jack, Angela, Warren, Mitchell, but couldn’t get a job. When she moved to New York, she lived at 4th and Broadway. She says she doesn’t dress up at home. “I am so ratty at home.  I don’t want to be Cher at home.” Smith pronounces “our undying gratitude for you being you.” Cher quips, “who else would I be?” Smith assures her the book is quite amazing. “Maybe you’ll read it.” Cher jokes, “maybe when I’m old.”

Live with Kelly and Mark (22 November 2024)

It’s Cher Day! Kelly says as she remarks on the buzz and excitement not seen there since the president came. Mark says, “there is more people than I’ve ever seen here.” Cher walks to shake hands with the audience. She’s wearing an oversized gray suit with a hanging chain. Kelly says the book “moved me in ways I can’t express. It was so expansive” Kelly says she can tell Cher doesn’t enjoy talking about herself. Cher says, ”people get mad, upset, sad” and say, “what’s the matter with you, Bitch.” Cher calls bullshit on her reputation for reinvention. “It’s not giving up. I want to keep going.” Kelly jokes about wanting Sonny & Cher to be her birth parents. (were my fantasy parents, too) and about Chastity: “That bitch is living my life.” (I didn’t think that but I wanted to be older than Chaz for some reason and was crestfallen to learn I was four months younger). Kelly says the variety shows set an example for working mothers. They talk about how Sonny was very strict. It took me a long time, Cher says. “A house had to fall on my sister. I don’t have a temper. By the time I was done I was done. I still liked…loved him. We had so much fun with each other.” Kelly defends “Dark Lady.”

 

Cher in Conversation with Darlene Love in New Jersey (22 November 2024)

Cher in Conversation with Stephen Fry in London (25 November 2024) –

These were available online for only a short time while I was in Oakland and I couldn’t get a chance to watch them before they were taken down. Boo.

The Graham Norton Show (30 November 2024)

Cher says she tripped up the stairs in her pants on the way out. We start with Josh Brolin’s story about how backstage Cher confused him with his father, James Brolin who was in her movie Burlesque for a minute. Cher says “I had so much fun that day.” Brolin complains that his dad is like 130 years old. Cher says, “So am I.”  Kiera Knightly is also on and she plays “Believe” on her teeth. Cher amazes at how she hits the notes. Later Cher will tell Knightly that she looks good in her new show and Knightly says “thank you, Cher” with a thrilled look on her face. Cher is surprised Graham read the book. Cher tells women and girls not to give up. They talk about how S&C were huge music stars and Cher says the London Hilton story was not a publicity stunt to her knowledge. [Some bios have said that it was.]  Cher says her first interview were in England. She says she is bad she is with numbers. “Someone has to add up my Gin score.” [Funny that because I just had a family reunion in Joshua Tree and could also not add up my scores. I am not dyslexic. I am just numbers dumb (as my family reminded me a million times in the last few weeks but there are many different types of intelligences: visual, musical, mathematical, logical, emotional) and Mr. Cher Scholar’s cousin kept adding up my scores before I could every attempt to do it during a dice game.] Cher keeps saying “there was no dyslexia in those days” and what she means is the diagnosis.  You can tell Cher likes Josh. He tells good Goonies stories. Goonies is the only reason I like Josh Brolin (oh and Flirting with Disaster). This episode is less a four person conversation than last year’s couch with Julia Roberts and Tom Hanks. Cher tells about her first career nadir, when her “records started dive bombing” and Sonny & Cher went from performing in arenas (first she says stadiums at first….not that big) to just four people in a bar. “Now I’m an icon and legend” she jokes sardonically. They talk about how S&C had no fan boundaries in the 1960s (Sonny told stories himself about inviting fans into the house and Cher talks about this in the book), Fans would dress like Cher and storm the stage and try to rip their clothes off. There was a Cow Palace fangirl, Cher says, who tried to pull off Sonny’s moccasins, one which had his wallet in it. “They wanted a part of you.” Josh talks about reading Cher’s book (or hearing about it) and compares his childhood to hers, both the fun and craziness of living with his mom and the chaos and Cher’s mom. He talks about his memoirs. Cher interjects with “You’re more interesting than I thought.” (Cher’s has been saying a version of this a lot in this round of interviews: Howard Stern, Jimmy Kimmel). “You could be my boyfriend.” This makes the crowd laugh. Josh freezes and says “Let me take that in” and looks at Graham and says “I don’t remember your question and I don’t care.”  Josh talks about his drug history and Cher talks about her Benzedrine story. Josh says he discovered he needed the chaos the drugs created. Cher answered that “I’ve created chaos without drugs.” Josh talks about responding well to women like Cher and his step-mother Barbra Streisand, people who say it as it is.

Cher talks about her final album and praying she can still hit all the notes. Jalen Ngonda sings a song and comes over to the couch afterwards, telling each couch person in turn “nice to meet you” and then when he gets to Cher he changes it to “I love you so much.” I really liked this guy when I explored his debut album after the show. Ngonda talks about discovering old 60s and 70s music at age 11, artists like the Temptations, Motown, Sonny & Cher, The Beach Boys, The Doors and Chicago. I’m sorry but Sonny & Cher doesn’t usually make that list. He talks about Smokey Robinson. Cher says “I love Smokey” and Ngonda says “I love you! I got your 45s at home.”

Cher says something else at the end and Graham says “Cher says the darndest things!” Cher is not always amused by Graham Norton.

Cher in Conversation with Jacqueline Stewart in Los Angeles (2 December 2024)

I attended this conversation. and I’ve also been to many book readings. I can assure you, none (not even David Sedaris) have had a merch table. This was held at the Saban Theater. I bought a tote and a magnet. There was also a program with a good write up saying “Cher’s remarkable career is unique and unparalleled….with her trademark honesty and humor, Cher: The Memoir traces how this diamond in the rough succeeded with no plan and little confidence to become the trailblazing superstar the world has been unable to ignore for more than half a century.” Sara Gilbert sat a few rows in front of us with her son. There were cowboy hats on gay men. And one ironic fur vest. This was also the first book talk I’ve been to with a intro tour video. It felt out of place but my bookish friends didn’t think so. Stewart calls Cher “one of my favorite people; you look incredible.” Stewart mentions the book’s level of detail. Cher talks about the first book she ever read, still one of her favorites, The Saracen Blade, a novel by Frank Yerby that Sonny recommended to her. They talk about early music that inspired her, Hank Williams, Disney’s Cinderella song “A Dream is a Wish Your Heart Makes.” They talk about her mom’s premonitions, how Cher’s voice didn’t blend and she didn’t even know about blending. Cher compares her contralto range to  Bruce Springsteen and Paul McCartney. She says performing with Tina Turn was like a “death wish.” Because Stewart is a talking head on Turner Classic Movies, it wasn’t surprising when she said, “Let’s talk movies.” Cher talks about her struggles to get auditions and the irony of her packed shows at Caesars Palace, how she was not happy. “Singing on stage I loved,” she admits, but movie people wouldn’t give her the time of day.  She tried to speak to Francis Ford Coppola about a movie project twenty years ago [this is probably her dream to remake The Enchanted Cottage], and he “just answered me now.” “Altman is a bear’s ass,” Cher says and Sudie Bond was a great actor. “I did two movies with her. She thought I was gonna mug her in the elevator.” [How did Sudie Bond not know know who the most photographed woman in 1970s America was?]. Cher recalls that ” Sandy Dennis said it was the worst audition she had ever seen. Karen Black didn’t like me very much. I almost hit her once. She was such a bitch.” Feeling guilty Cher insists that she shouldn’t “take cheap shots.” She says she told Robert Altman he ruined Popeye. Cher says she was really good at matinees, which were full of little old ladies. Cher says working with Meryl Streep was one of the highlights of her life. Of Mama Mia: “I’m a hired hand in that one.” [So true.] Cher reminds us she is a fan of classic movies and would watch them with her mother. Who were the performers she looked up to? James Dean. Elvis. She often couldn’t relate to the women. Stewart says she’s been told “the dress shouldn’t wear you” and how this applies to Cher. Cher talks about having rubber bands around her shoes and her mother making her wear them to school as a task of humility. Cher talks about her “future body,” how she didn’t fit with the classic beauty ideals but how she “turned my back on it, made own clothes, wasn’t gonna get any place in the regular way, wasn’t a regular girl.” They talk about the respect Cher has now in black and brown communities and in gay culture. Cher says she still feels like an outsider. About the gay community she says, “they never left me. Even when I was down and out. There’s a special place in my heart. So many times I was over. I couldn’t get arrested.” The talk about the Greta Garbo and Marlene Dietrich boldness compared to Cher. How her dress is often a statement of “women’s empowerment.” Cher says, “I wear what I want to wear. I don’t ask permission.” She also advises, “If you have a dream, follow it. You only have this one life. My nine lives are over.” Sara Gilbert’s son keeps standing up and holding the book over his head. Very excited. They talk about areas of Los Angeles, Cher’s hometown, the prejudice she has against The Valley. “I was poor there.” They talk about her industrious mother and Cher’s yearning to go out into the world. “I wanted wheels. I am a work in progress.” They talk about Sonny. Cher says there will always be Sonny & Cher. Stewart talks about Cher’s gracious, forgiving heart. Cher says, “If you get bitter it’s not gonna hurt him.” They talk about David Geffen. If not for David Geffen I’d be sleeping on the highway. Cher talks about him having the phone receiver to his head all the time and their first date where Geffen was afraid Cher would attack him. Cher says she is the “least likely to jump on a man in the universe.” [She might have to fight me on that one; it’s just not polite.]

They then take audience questions (and here I realize we never were given any opportunity to ask questions so who’s questions are they? One question is about Cher’s famous I am a Rich Man quote. Cher says, “don’t pay attention to expectations. You have to become who you are.” Another question is about her recording history and unreleased albums. Cher says she has no idea. “I didn’t even read the book.” She talks about a new album she’s making, half with her boyfriend Alexander Edwards, half with her “Believe” producer Mark Taylor. She touts Edwards as the VP of Def Jam records and how his songs are “so fresh.” She said she had a good time with the Christmas album and that this was the first time she’s asked people to sing on an album. She says she loves Kelly Clarkson and that for the Christmas album, “I don’t wanna sing all that old shit. Can you imagine me singing “Frosty the Snowman?” [Well, yes, I could. You sang “O Holy Night” quite memorably.] Cher tells us “thank you for coming. You were a great audience.” She points out some friends she knows in the crowd and says she looks forward to seeing them backstage.

The Kelly Clarkson Show (3 December 2024)

Clarkson introduces Cher by mentioning her 17 top 10 hot 100 hits. Again Cher gets a standing ovation. Cher gives Kelly one-of-a-kind gloves made for her for Kelly’s celebrity guest wall. Kelly says the real gift was Cher coming. Kelly talks about her guest stint adding vocals to Cher’s 2023 Christmas song “DJ Play a Christmas Song.” Clarkson says, “I love that you let me sing that song with you.” Cher says she wanted it louder like as a duet. Kelly said she took the job to be like a backup singer. Cher says they will redo it. They talk about Cher’s mother living in the Bowery of every city. That her mom had talent but “I just went farther.” Again Cher mentions that there are 600 men in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame to 90 women. She said she had fun being inducted and have previously wondered, “what do I have to do?” She says she’s drinking Coke Zero. They mention her most active social media account:Instagram@cher. They talk about her being an employee of Sonny’s and when the split up contractually she couldn’t work. She tells the story of Sonny cheating on Suzie Cohelo and talking to Sonny about it in Paris with Sonny in the bathtub. Cher is asked to list her top five live events:

  • 5 is the 1967 Carol Burnett Show performance singing with Sonny where they met both Burnett and Bob Mackie.
  • 4 is the 1968 Madison Square Garden charity benefit concert for Martin Luther King where she met Jimi Hendrix
  • 3 is David Geffen’s birthday party when she sang with Bob Dylan and Don Henley.
  • 2 is her performance on The Ed Sullivan Show in 1965 with Sonny.
  • 1 is the Take Me Home Tour 1979 because it was the first musical project she did on her own.

They talk about how Las Vegas has changed and how she was ahead of her time with residencies there. She said Sonny once told her it’s as bad to be too early as is to be too late.

Cher in Conversation with Joel Selvin in San Francisco (4 December 2024)

Desert Island Discs (British) (aired 15 December 2024)

This was another great interview because it focused on music and thereby produced questions other interviewers don’t ask and answers Cher normally doesn’t give. (Question 1)  What are the misconceptions? Cher, “That what I wear is frivolous.” She’s says she’s not one thing. She’s shy when she’s not working. She says she used to not like her records. But she’s gotten used to them. “I’m all things, the persona you see and the self you don’t see.” She says she’s been on the road most of her adult life. As for the R&R HoF, she is proud to be in there with people she respects. For each question, she picks a song. For this question it’s “Whiter Shade of Pale” by Procol Harem. “I like the sound. I don’t care what they say. It’s the feeling. Sonny was too middle of the road. He would want to understand the lyrics. I just thought it was genius.” (Question 2) They talk about characteristics of mom, tough, funny, smart. “We fought lots. I never talked back. The way to get her was to stop talking. Give yes or no answers.” She talks about her birth father, Johnnie Sarkisian, who met Georgia during the war and was a good dancer. She says she has his half smile, his lack of temper. Cher says she did like him although he was a mess. “He was who he was, cute, charming, kind. For this segments, she pick “Love Me Tender” by Elvis. Elvis, Cher says, was the “beginning of me knowing what I was gonna do.” She tells the story of seeing Elvis when she was 11 years old. Her mom loved music. Her grandfather and uncle played guitar. They all sang together. She loved Elvis’ gold suit, the drama of his entrance.

(Question 3) They talk about Georgia’s six marriages and how her mom’s girlfriends were her real family. She talks about some of her step-dads: Joe Collins, John Southall, the most crucial dad figure in their lives. She talks about the poverty, eating on the same pot of beans, shoes with no soles. Cher says she’s gone barefoot her whole life, sister that she and her mom have the same voice, that her mom said things in a funny way and had a ridiculous laugh. Cher picks for this segment, “A Dream Is a Wish Your Heart Makes,” a song she first heard when she was 4 or 5 years old, before sister was born. (Question 4) Cher talks about being a terrible student, how she only learned by listening, but that she was great at sports and pretty popular. She talks about organizing the Garland and Rooney like performance of the musical Oklahoma. How did it go over? Cher says she just “let it go” and “felt like I had a bad flop.” She choose the song “Evil” by Stevie Wonder but says she could have picked 10 other songs of his. She likes the special lyrics of this one, the concept and believes Wonder is a genius like Beethoven. She says it “felt like liberation to me, the first music [post Sonny] that I got. We became friends.” (Question 5) They talk about her first impressions of Sonny, so electrifying although he was not handsome. He was “unbelievably dressed” and had beautiful fingers, was “really charming.” They talk about her time working with Phil Spector, who Cher says was “21 and a genius. She picks the Spector classic, “You’ve Lost that Lovin Feeling” by the Righteous Brothers. She remembers Brian Wilson, Sonny, Darlene at the session doing backups, Billy (Bill Medley) getting ready to do vocal. According to Cher, “We all stopped. The whole world stopped. We knew this was gonna be one of the great songs.”

(Question 6) Cher tells the “I Got You Babe” story. Cher says “I didn’t think much of this song” when Sonny sang it to her in the middle of the night. But then admits in the studio “it sounded really good.” She wonders how Sonny, “how does he even know the oboe and bassoon?” She said the song had a fresh sound. “I don’t think it’s the greatest record I’ve ever heard” but that “it captured a moment.” She says it knocked “Help” off the top of the charts. Cher says they had sold or hocked everything they had had to get to England. There she was asked for her first autograph. Cher says Sonny was a traditional Sicilian in terms of relationships, that Sonny’s “Dad that way with his mom,” the patriarch. “He didn’t want me going anywhere or to have friends…he didn’t want any escape routes.” Cher says she became used to Sonny taking care of her but then it started to bother her when Sonny lost interest in her as a person. She was also “disappointed and angry, past furious” when she discovered he had taken her half of their earnings. ” I couldn’t work without his permission. I was forced into the contract. I wasn’t home eating bon bons [when they made all that money]. I was there at Motel 6.” But she reminds us again that “without Sonny, there would be no Cher.” And then, here is the kicker. That she would pick this song for the Sonny segment. It seems to almost pain her, too, to say it out loud: “Ugh. ‘I Can’t Make You Love Me‘ by Bonnie Raitt. I love her. She’s a great musician. She’s got a great voice, plays slide like a demon. It’s one of the best love songs I’ve ever heard.” [I got a little verklempt at this part of the interview. This is probably as emotionally raw as Cher has ever been when ruminating on Sonny.]

(Question 7) They talk about Cher’s incredible iconic outfits and her fashion history, the recent exabit of some of them at London’s V&A Museum, the numerous scandals they occasioned. Was that intentional? Cher demurs, “I wasn’t sophisticated enough to know what we were doing” and Bob Mackie was so young. She says they were recycling old Carol Burnett gowns in the beginning. “She had some great gowns too. CBS was always bitching about the costs.” They discuss The Dress, a.k.a. The Naked Dress, The Met Gala dress. Cher says she had to be naked sunbathing to wear it and they had to spray water on it to attach it to her skin so that when she wore it, you couldn’t see the fabric, only the sequins and the mirage was that she was naked just wearing sequins and feathers. They talk about Cher being under the microscope for decades and a part of “unrealistic beauty standards” Cher insists she “plays by my own rules.” That there is definitely a standard to keep up which is not expected of men. But she says, “men in Hollywood are vain” but that they can be “straggly and old. Helen Mirren ages really well, Judy Dench” That leads to a discussion of the “[Franco]  Zeffirelli ladies” from the movie Tea With Mussolini, “ I just wanted to listen. Joan Plowright took her clothes off and jumped into the water.” Cher says she was “sweating vapors” during her scene with Maggie Smith. How did Maggie Smith respond? She said, “Don’t be ridiculous.” They talk about the Silkwood preview and everyone laughing, And like everything, Cher isn’t bitter about that audience response. She calls it “visceral; you can’t argue with it.” But it made her sad. She plays “Minute by Minute” by The Doobie Brothers for this segment. “I had such a crush on him [Michael McDonald]. I should have told him.”

(Question 8) They talk about Cher’s two sons, Elijah and Chaz, Elijah’s heroin addiction, Chaz’s transition. Cher says, “you do your best, be supportive, keep trying. Elijah is so bright, so smart. It hasn’t served him well. He’s above all of us.” [This does seem the crux of the problem. Intelligence doesn’t always engender wisdom.] “Greggory, he tried hard. They’ve got demons. It is what it is.” Cher talks about how freighted she was during Chaz’s transition from female to male. “Chaz is great, a great person.” She says she’s close to both of them. They talk about Cher turning 79 soon and how she’s still relevant. “I like creating stuff” but that the next album will “probably be my last album.” She says the voice runs out. There will come a time when she can’t hit the high notes. “I’ve got great songs. I really want to try my best.” They then talk of sending Cher to the deserted island. How would she manage? Cher admits she doesn’t have any practical skills. Just tenacity. She talks about her deserted island song by saying Sam Cooke and Sonny were good friends. Her song is “A Change Is Gonna Come” which is her all time favorite song. She says there are “people whose voice comes from some other place.  The book would be The Saracen Blade [mentioned above] because it “opened a whole new world, a whole new thing,” starting her on a path of reading. Her luxury item would be an eyelash curler because her mom once said every woman would need one on a deserted island.

L’INTÉGRALE with Éric Jean-Jean (French) (19 December 2024)

Mr. Cher Scholar assisted with the translation and transcription of the questions and French commentary.  One question I had for Mr. Cher Scholar was how do the French consider Cher?. Do they know her? What adjectives do they use? Mr. CS said Jean-Jean, (a name he found funny, from one John-John to another), did not spend any time explaining to the French who Cher is. It was assumed that the French know who she is and her career markers and products.

Jean-Jean states she has sold over 100 million albums, is an “actrice” who has won several Golden Globes, an Oscar and a best actress at the Cannes Film Festival. She has had an incredibly rich career, he says, “une carriere incroyablement riche, trop riche pour un volume.” too rich for one volume. “She called us from the California hotel where she is staying.” (This as Jean-Jean explains later was due to the first Los Angeles fire, the Franklin Fire that came right up to her house in December of 2024.)

They play a piece of “Strong Enough” and Jean-Jean says the book goes up to  about 1980. When are we going to read the second part? Cher says she missed three deadlines on the first book and she hasn’t started part two yet.

Jean-Jean talks about Cher seeing Ray Charles sing “Georgia” on TV. What was going on in her head at that moment? Cher says she was, “on my floor, lets crossed, peanut butter and jelly sandwich” and that it was a “watershed program every day as teenager.” She’s talking about American Bandstand.

Jean-Jean explains that her surname is Sarkisian (it was) which is Armenian. He talks about how her mother worked as a waitress but had a career as a singer and actress in a few films. Was this a complicated childhood for you, Cher? Cher answers, “You think? I love my mom. We fought like cats and dogs. She talks about her birth father’s lack of a temper, her mom’s voice, how her sister has it too, but “me a little bit more.” They play “I’m Your Yesterday,” the duet Cher once did with her mother and Cher tells the story about trying to lip sync it for television but couldn’t tell which parts were her. [I can tell. They are very similar but Cher’s voice is more smokey and syrup and her mother’s is more crystal and champagne.]

Jean-Jean says “your mother married several times. You moved a lot with each new father. How was that for you? Cher says her mom didn’t stay very long. Men come and go. She just remembers the extraordinary beautiful women. Jean_jean says her mother’s childhood was marked by poverty and violence and their heritage is Cherokee, “anglaise, irlandaise, française” and your father, Armenian. That gives you what type of character? Cher says as a child she was “not thinking life is horrible. This is your life going through it.” It was both fun and sad. Her mom’s history was very bad. “Mine was better than hers. I’m an American. That makes me a real mess.” She talks about her trip to Armenia which she says was amazing, a medical supply trip. She says she arrived after the wall fell in 1990. She talks about the picture of her sitting on the toppled statue of Lenin and how “everyone I met was so amazing, gracious. I have Armenian eyes.” She talks about her Armenia relatives, her father her Aunt Roxie.  Jean-Jean notes that Cher went back to Armenia in 1993 to discover her heritage. Jean-Jean says “Did you feel Armenian, like you found your Armenian roots or are you definitely an American? Cher says she is definitely an American woman. But she can be many things. She did feel at home there. “They were so happy to see me. ” She says America is built upon people from other countries.” In Armenia, “everybody looked like me. People don’t go to Armenia like Azerbaijan. They have gas. America never bothered to help Armenia. They have no natural gas. They don’t have anything.”

Mr. C.S. was unsure what Jean-Jean was saying at this point “except arguably the most beautiful woman in the world” or “nobody could argue that they might have the most beautiful women in the world.”

Jean-Jean asks Cher to tell us about how her mother took her to see Elvis Presley when she was 11 in Los Angeles at the Pan Pacific. They talk about Elvis in concert, her seeing him on Ed Sullivan, his gold suit, how she wanted to be like him. Jean-Jean says “you say that your mother was so beautiful that night, the most beautiful woman in the world. Cher says [and I think to differentiate her mother from herself, because she doesn’t consider herself so self-evidently beautiful without a lot of makeup] “those days women could just wear lipstick, mascara, rouge. You had to be beautiful with those three things.” This reminds me of her Desert island comment about the eyelash curler. If you’re that beautiful, that’s all you’d need.

Jean-Jean continues talking about Elvis on stage, his eyes and his hair that matched Cher and how she wanted to be like him. He asks, singer actor or star? Cher talks her grandfather, mother, uncle guitar, how they all sang together and she thought everyone did that, about seeing Dumbo and Cinderella. She says she had no Plan B. She’s not much of a planner anyway. She says due to her dyslexia, she had no academic future. She tells the story about failing the math test. They play “Walking in Memphis,” which Jean-Jean introduces as coming from the It’s a Man’s World album of 1995, originally done by Marc Cohen and the song is about Elvis and that this is the first “choque” of Cher, which neither Mr. C.S. or I knew what that meant. Choque means “shock.”

Jean-Jean notes that Cher was “16 ans” when she left home and worked as a “magasin de bonbons” (at See’s Candy Store) when she met Sonny Bono. Was it in New York or Los Angeles? And what did you feel at that moment? Cher says she met Sonny at Aldos Café, a coffeeshop that was under a radio station in Los Angeles. She says people were all calling to him when he walked in, “Sonny! Sonny! It’s Son! I thought he was special.” She said it was an experience just seeing him. “He didn’t like me at all” but they ended up as pals. Hanging out as friends. He was promotion man with singles and would meet DJs to try to get songs played. “He was very good at it. He had a good personality. Everyone liked him. He was affable.”

Jean-Jean explains that Sonny began working with Phil Spector in the famous Gold Star Studio (I’m amazed the French know all of these details of American music) and you accompanied him. And one day Phil Spector asked you to replace Darlene Love of the Ronettes (this is a mistake, Love wasn’t one of the Ronettes but that is a fine point since all the groups cross-pollinated as needed…however Love mostly sang lead vocals with the Crystals, Bob B. Soxx and the Blue Jeans, and as a solo artist under Spector’s productions.) How did this story happen? Cher said she had no place to go. Sonny offered that she could stay at his apt, “but I’m not attracted to you.” He heard her singing while making the beds one day and started promoting her to Spector after that. She says the experience, “was fabulous” because it was going from The Valley to a studio with the most famous music people. She talks about the songs she recorded there. They play Darlene Love’s song “Winter Wonderland” which Jean-Jean explains is from Spector’s Christmas album of 1963 and he calls this Cher’s debut as a singer.

Jean-Jean asks Cher to recount why she didn’t realize she had a very special voice. Cher says her voice wasn’t good for background  because she was too loud. “I didn’t blend well in the beginning,” [I would argue she still rarely doesn’t.] “I never thought of being a real singer and get paid for it.” Jean-Jean asks her to remember the first solo song she did as Bonnie Jo (Mason). How it’s about being a fan of Ringo Starr? Cher says the DJs wouldn’t play it. They thought it was a man singing a love song to another man at a time when that was illegal. They play “Ringo I love You.”

Jean-Jean wants to know if Phil Spector was already crazy when Cher worked with him in the mid-1960s. Cher says “not in the beginning. He wasn’t crazy. Very eccentric.” She says they had fun together. “His parents were first cousins. He had a great sense of humor.” Cher says everyone in the studio was in their early 20s (except Sonny who was 27). “Everyone was quite young. In my mind everyone was old because I was 16 .

Jean-Jean says Sonny & Cher first found success with “I Got You Babe.” Can you tell me how that song came about? Cher tells the IGUB story. Says their piano at that time was in the living room and they had no furniture. Jean-Jean asks “And when did you realize this was a good song?” ? And Cher says while they were in the studio doing it, everyone came in and was curious about the song and the words. My mom called everyone babe. Jean-Jean plays “I Got You Babe.”

Jean-Jean notes that “you say in the book that Sonny became difficult. You cay Sonny could be hard on you. What happened at that time? Drugs like Phil Spector? [Oh, that’s funny.] Cher doesn’t say anything about drugs [aside from prescription drugs, Sonny didn’t abuse any] but she says “Sonny would take care of everything. I didn’t know about the business world. I was happy to just sing.” Cher says they became famous and that was amazing, But then their careers “went into the toilet.” T

Jean-Jean reminds us that Cher’s book covers the decades of the 1950s, 60s and 70s primarily. You say Sonny was strange. He hired a detective to follow you when you were alone (and Mr. C.S. isn’t sure what is said here but possibly something about Sonny’s two-timing Cher. Cher says she became used to it. That at 16 she don’t think to ask why he was doing what he was doing. “He was fun. I didn’t notice. I was flattered. It’s hard to explain. When I started to grow up, had my own thoughts, he wasn’t going for that.”

Jean-Jean says Sonny also wrote several songs like “Bang Bang” on the second solo Cher album, The Sonny Side of Cher in 1966, a song that had a lot of success in France [I can’t find the French charts. I wish I could as this is my favorite question of the interview]. How did this song come about? Cher says “it was such a strange song. We loved it. It sounds like it shouldn’t be a relationship song. It was a strange take on love.”

Jean-Jean asks her about the French singer Sheila’s version (1966) and the Italian-French singer Dalida’s version (1966). And he plays the original song. [Going to search for those songs lead me down a rabbit hole that resulted in this page, a repository of “Bang Bang” covers.]

Here Jean-Jean seems to be talking about a kind of album from CBS. How did that happen? Mr. Cher Scholar and I think he’s talking about the album encapsulating the nightclub shows, Sonny & Cher Live. He says we’re going to listen to an excerpt of that “mythic show” and we think he means the CBS show. So all of that is getting confused together, more so when he plays “Can’t Take My Eyes off Of You” from their appearance on the Playboy Club show, not the Comedy Hour. This song was not on any album or segment of their CBS show. (the TV shows were not big in Europe so they’re not as familiar with it.)

Cher explains how they lost all our money, started at the bottom again in horrible nightclubs, “People didn’t like us. We dressed like our style before” in some “unpleasant places.” Eventually they changed to a tuxedo and gown but “people didn’t like our music.”

Jean-Jean astutely talks about all the artist of Lauren Canyon, the Beach Boys, Mamas and Papas, Jefferson Airplane (technically true I see from a Google search but I always associate them with the San Francisco psychedelic sound, not the Southern California sound). What was that like at the time? Cher says, “you don’t think about famous people when they’re your friends. ” You’re not in awe of them. You think,  “that’s a great song or Michelle looks great tonight. They’re just your friends.” Jean-Jean continues that she also met at the time Jimi Hendrix and Salvador Dali. Cher says this is just show biz (baby!) and you run into people.

Jean-Jean notes that in 1975 Sonny and Cher divorced. How did you feel at the end of this marriage? Cher says, “He drove me crazy but we were always friends. “My wife could say that” quips Jean-Jean. on stage, Cher says working with Sonny could be so much fun, the best time. “I don’t think two people could get along so well playing around and singing. He liked playing around and I liked playing around.”

Jean-Jean says, now they’re going to play the cut “The Beat Goes On” from the 1967 In Case You’re In Love album (I love that he notes the albums), a song written by Sonny Bono and he asks the audience, have you ever heard any song like it?  After your separation that was a new stage for you, in 1980s you stared doing films. Did you like this new career as a comedian?

Cher says she wanted to be funny and sing since was five. She starts to tell the Mick-Jagger-You-Should-Go-To England story but then corrects it to the Francis-Ford-Coppola-You-Should-Go-to-New-York story (they’re very similar stories as it turns out).

Jean-Jean recounts that Robert Altman gave her the role as a fan of James Dean in a Broadway play. Jean-Jean then recounts Cher’s “remarkable career” in films like Silkwood, Mask, Les Sorcieres D’Eastwick, how she won best actress in 1987 over Meryl Streep and Glen Close (for Moonstruck, which in France was called Éclair de Lune) and then he incorrectly says she played Morticcia in The Adams Family (this was Anjelica Houston, and is a big gaffe) and then goes on to discuss Mermaids which was strangely called in France Les 2 Sirènes. Why two? There were three women in the story.

They then play “The Shoop Shoop Song,” (pronounced choop choop) from 1990. What should we know about that song? Cher explain the movie being the story of the mother of an eccentric family. Cher says it was the story of my sister and my life and my mom, two daughters, one is kind of crazy, a mom trying to make it. She describes the scene where they are setting table with the radio on, singing and dancing. [The movie is not literally their story. It was a novel by Patty Dann and also her MFA thesis from Columbia…but in any case, I  think I now understand this movie.]

We’re coming to the end of the hour Jean-Jean says. He wants to ask about the story of “Believe,” the last song he’ll play from the 1998 album of the same name. He comments on its enormous success, historically the first to use a “novelle technologie,” the vocoder (incorrect, it was a pitch machine later named AutoTune). Can you tell us more? Cher says the verse was never very good. She says the pitch machine was able to you on the note and they played with it.  Let’s listen to Believe, Jean-Jean says. It’s the only song played in full.

Jean-Jean notes that autotune has been used heavily by rappers. My last question, “Do you believe in life after love? [Oy] Cher says, “Yes there is life after love. It’s a strange concept. There is no life without love, you couldn’t live without love. Love is always coming to you.”

Thank you so much Cher.

Jimmy Kimmel Live (7 January 2025)

This marks the 400 TV appearance I have tracked. Wow.

Cher first tells Jimmy Kimmel “you got balls, dude” for what he said about Trump in his opening monologue. I rewatched the show recently in Cleveland with my parents to see what he had said in the monologue. (My mom is a big Jimmy Kimmel fan because he keeps mentioning his staff and labor issues). The monologue seemed pretty typical of his usual monologues so maybe Cher just hadn’t heard one of them before.

Kimmel says, “I take that as a great compliment from you. You do have balls in the spiritual sense. And there’s a lot of that in here (the book).”

Kimmel notes that her book has spent six weeks on the New York Times bestseller list and that it’s very exciting to have her on the show. Kimmel says “maybe it’s annoying to you when people are interested in your life” but that he was honestly interested. For Christmas, does she cook? Cher said she had 26 people for dinner, six she didn’t know (friends of relatives and friends). She says she decorated and there were lots of cute kids there including Slash, the son of her boyfriend, Alexander. Kimmel quips, “I’m gonna try to sneak in there next year.” Cher says she is in possession of Sonny’s popular red sauce recipe that was his mother’s recipe and that she makes it occasionally for Christmas. “Olive oil, garlic and onions and I’m on my way….Son made it great and he handed it down to me.” She hasn’t taught it to others, however. “It is with me. I’m taking it to my grave….which could be any moment.”

Everyone groans and Cher says, “When you’re old, you know?”

Kimmel again notes her book was #1 for six weeks in a row [maybe just four]. “That’s a lot of weeks.” Is Cher surprised. Cher says she didn’t want to “squish it together” in only one volume. With the first one she wanted to see how it was, did she do a good job, would people be interested. She notes the book goes back from her great-grandparents up through the television years. Kimmel asks if there will be three volumes? “Will this interview be part of the next book?”

In a Man Show moment, Kimmel wants to talk about Cher’s losing virginity to guy in Toluca Lake. Do you think we could find the spot? Cher says she doesn’t even remember the guy. “I have people I’ve mentioned and I’m wondering what do they think, like one guy who was very instrumental in helping me to leave Sonny and I wonder how does he feel about it. He was a really good person.” This excites Kimmel and he want to dig him out. Cher thinks he’s in Texas. Kimmel calls out, “Open the fucking book. Guillermo. Go through it real quick. Get him on phone?” No, Cher says.

They talk about Sonny and how she felt equal only when she was working on their show. “I loved it. We loved it. We worked so well together. It kept us closer longer than I really wanted.”

Kimmel trots out the 16 Magazine Sonny & Cher advice column. He decides to ask her a question from it to see if she would respond in the same way. The question is not one of the columns I had found last year, by the way.

[Do show writers scan the internet for interview ideas? This reminds me of the time David Letterman referred to the Cher Historians among us. Are these just coincidences?]

Anyway…this elicited a very annoyed Cher stare.

Here is the question Kimmel reads:

Dear Cher, I have a problem. I hope you can help me. I’m 13 years old. I like a boy who is in my class and he seems to like me but sometimes he teases me. He hits me gently on the face and calls me names just to be fresh. I’m also four inches taller than he is and please tell me how I can get him to be my steady. Unhappy, Ridgefield, NJ

Kimmel asks Cher how she would respond to Unhappy now? Cher says, “Kick him to the curb.” The audience likes this and she smiles. Kimmel then reads the response from the 1960s Cher.

Cher says, “Oh God.”

Dear Unhappy, As I’ve said here many times before, if a boy teases you it’s a sure sign he digs you. Just be good natured about it and give him a nice friendly smile now and again. Sooner or later, he’ll come around. As for being four inches taller (Cher interjects, “nah”) well most girls are taller than boys nowadays. I’m talker than Sonny and he couldn’t care less. In fact, he digs me in boots with medium high heels. Hang in there. Keep trying and you won’t be unhappy for long.

We should hear Kimmel’s response now as opposed to the response he would have given on The Man Show.

Cher shakes her head. “Come on girls. We know that’s not true.”

In that time, they’ve found out the guitarist’s name. It’s Bill. Cher says, “I know.” She’s not willing to share his last name. “Because of him, not me.”

The next book should come out in November but Cher admits she hasn’t started the new book but that she finished this one late too but still hit the deadline. “We’ll see,” Kimmel says skeptically. “November of what year?” Cher says, “I’m a little tardy. I think I’ll be better this time.”

Kimmel says he feels like she can help her and starts to ask rapid fire, random questions. Does she drive a car? Cher says she hasn’t driven in a while but just bought a car and will drive soon. What does her drivers license say? She says it doesn’t show her last name. She had to go to court and get special dispensation to prove she is known by one name. “It’s not easy,” she says. Guillermo pipes in that he wants to do it.

Has she ever been to Costco. Cher says, “I think once.” Kimmel says, “You’d know if you had. May I please take you to Costco sometime. I’d love to take you to Costco.” Cher says a flirty little “okay.” Has she ever played a video game? Yes, she has. Which one and when? “None of your business. A month ago.” Has she ever been on jury duty? Cher says she tried as research for the movie Suspect where she played a lawyer (“doesn’t count,” Kimmel says) but the judge thought she would be too distracting. Who is the most intimidating person you’ve ever met (present company excluded? That gets the Cher stare.

Cher lists Obama, Tina Turner, Ray Charles. If you could turn back time (Cher interjects, “this is so dumb”) what year would you go back to. Cher picks 60. Was it her best year? No, 40 was her best year. She stared to work in film and started to get respect. Why not 40, then? Cher laughs and says 60 seemed like a good number. “When you’re 78, 60 sounds great.”

Kimmel shows a picture of Cher and Jimmy Carter (the one under the street sign) and says they look like they’re having an intimate conversation. Did she know him well? Cher tells the story of The Allman Brothers giving Carter some of his earliest campaign money and how she had dinner with the Carters on their first night in the White House. She starts but doesn’t finish a story about President Carter calling her once for a favor. This turns into the story about why Cher didn’t get along with Johnny Carson, who had her thrown out of a party. And then time is up and Kimmel starts to wrap up.

Cher says, “You’re a lot nicer and funnier than I thought you would be.”

The Jimmy Carter story reminds me that my friend Mikaela recently sent me an excerpt of Amy Carter talking about Cher at the White House and how this was one of her most memorable moments of that time.


If you’ve made it this far, apologies for the likely many typos. I would proof this yet another time but we have to move on to other things, my own review of the memoir, the Hall of Fame week, the new commercial and other upcoming things. So. Much. Stuff.

Kiss and Tells and Legacy Building

Cher: The Memoir, Part One Audiobook by Cher - 9780008355388 | Rakuten Kobo India“Why should one’s art then be an achievement? Why not more an adventure?”
— Poet Robert Duncan

We’re all waiting to see how much of Cher’s autobiography is a kiss and tell. She has said time and again that she never wanted to do that sort of memoir and was disappointed that Sonny did so with his.

But why should that keep one from telling their life story? Is that all a life is about? Sex and gossip? What about all the other struggles, joys and actualizations of the self?

Reading Ann Powers’ book on Joni Mitchell, it was interesting to see the point at which Joni Mitchell switched from making new music to legacy-building. This took the form of accepting tributes and re-releasing music in various ways.

Cher doesn’t seem interested at all in legacy building. I think she said as much in an interview last year. But this is part of what any memoir or compilation album or tribute speech or liner note is doing. Because after you’re gone, people will turn to these as points of reference. And sometimes this is because “the great work” itself becomes unavailable or gets misinterpreted as it loses the context of its time.

Legacy building happens differently for politicians and poets and painters and rock stars and actors. But there seems to me different ways you can go with legacy building as an artist:

  1. A relationship tell-all, (not the same as a sex tell-all), especially if you had a life-changing one, like Cher with Sonny. Surely there’s something in certain relationships that were inspiring or in some cases character building. Katharine Hepburn handles this with class and honesty when she talks about Spencer Tracy in her autobiography Me.
  2. Stories of the ridiculous and transcendent things that happened to you. And usually these things happen with people around you who you loved or hated and they experienced these same things too right along side you and so are part of your story. These events are also part of their stories.
  3. The change agents of your life. What or who sent you off at a 90 or 180-degree directions? What were the twists and turns in your before-then otherwise linear plot. These can be situations as often as people.
  4. Your creative problem-solving. All of us have had to do this. It reminds me of poet Frank O’Hara’s obsession with the  process of painting and poetry and determining the difference. How does your brain works to solve problems of your work? What tools did you use to work things out?

In any case, no one can top Sonny’s kiss-and-tell by a sexist rockstar (well, rockstar to some degree…in some minds…in my 7-year old mind). Sonny dropped the mic on this kind of tell-all, in my humble opinion.

He started a sexual relationship with underage girl (who became Cher) and then wrote a whole  book to complain about it. It makes Gregg Allman’s crass comments about his “hot” sex with Cher and other women (“they have two purposes: to make the bed and make it in the bed”) seem downright gentlemanly in comparison.

Cher’s Hawaiian Meatballs

So last night I attempted another Cher recipe, “Cher’s Hawaiian Meatballs.” I came across this recipe while I was in Cleveland researching images for the 16 Magazine responses.

Someone else had tried the recipe in 2019 and wrote about it on their blog Dinner is Served 1972.

When I got home, I tracked the actual cookbook down. It’s volume II of a charity cookbook for a Hawaiian drug and alcohol treatment center. (Click on the images below to read the full introduction.)

Cher’s recipe is the first one in the cookbook, under the section called Meats:

As you can imagine, the core ingredient in this recipe is pineapple.

Ingredients

2 1/2 lbs. ground beef (I used Beyond Meat instead, which complicated things considerably)
1/2 cup minced onion
1 egg
2 T. salt
1 cup bread crumps
1/2 t. ginger
1 1/2 T. shortening (I used vegetable shortening)
1/2 cup milk
2 1/2 T. cornstarch
2 cans pineapple (~13 oz. cans; good luck finding the right size cans and good luck finding canned fruit these days…but you need them because you gotta have the juice. So get it.)
3/4 cup brown sugar, packed
2 T. soy sauce
1/2 cup vinegar
1/2 cup chopped green pepper

Instructions

Combine meat, minced onion, egg, bread crumbs, salt, ginger and milk. Shape mixture into balls. Melt shortening in large skillet and cook meatballs until browned. Removed meatballs from skillet and place in oven on low heat to keep warm. Drain fat from skillet.

Mix cornstarch and brown sugar, stirring in the vinegar, soy sauce and reserved pineapple syrup until mixture is smooth. Pour into skillet and cook over a medium heat, stirring frequently until mixture becomes thick and is boiling. Continue to boil and stir for 1 minute. Adding meatballs, green pepper and pineapple bits, heat completely through.

Changes I made: I made the syrup first in a regular pan. It’s a nice thick, tasty syrup. I served the pineapple and bell pepper unheated on the dishes. I didn’t want the bell pepper and pineablle to get soggy in the syrup while we were waiting to eat the leftovers. Because I made the syrup first, I didn’t need to keep the meatballs warm in the oven. I’ve grown spoiled with Hello Fresh recipes and lose patience for recipes that don’t give you oven temperature, oven rack positions or time it takes cooking. Like I never made meatballs before. How long should it take for them to get done?

This was complicated by the fact that I was using fake meat and without Hello Fresh telling me it should take x to x amount of minutes, I never trust my own judgement. And then add to that, the fact that I didn’t pack the meatballs tight enough and the first batch fell apart in the skillet. I had to call in Mr. Cher Scholar to squish them tighter and help finish the next two batches.

My poorly packed meatballs:

Mr. Cher Scholar’s better meatballs:

I should have read the blogger Yinzerella’s piece before I started cooking because they wisely cut the recipe in half for two people. This recipe makes a lot of meatballs. I would estimate about two dozen meatballs, two dinners worth of meatballs unless you’re feeding a family or party of meatball eaters.

To accompany her meatballs, Yinzerella made fried rice. I made another bad decision to make mushroom risotto. I love risotto but it’s labor intensive. Not a good side for another labor intensive main dish.

But the risotto turned out great. I now have the hang of that.  Here’s the final plate on my one of the new washable placemats:

Everything was a hit. We would make this again. This is the first Cher recipe I can say that about. The fat-free ones weren’t as good as this fat-full recipe.

Yinzerella wonders what makes the recipe “American Style” as noted in the cookbook title, the fact that they were beef and not pork meatballs? I don’t know either.

The Cher and Andy Ennis Cooking for Cher book has other meatball recipes: Beef Meatballs in a Herbed Olive Marinara Sauce and Mexican Meatballs (Albondigas! A word I love to say) in Tomato-Orange Sauce.

The Cher and Robert Hass book Forever Fit also has Turkey Meatballs.

Yinzerella’s posts ends with, “Happy birthday, Cher! Shine on, you Bob Mackey-clad, ass-baring, half-breed, gypsy, dark lady diva. You are the Goddess of Pop and you are FABULOUS!”

For more Cher food stories:

Stealing Fandom

I was a little sister. There are five and seven years between me and my older brothers. I got into their shit all the time, too, because it turns out I was a little shit.

My mother, for a time a real estate agent, kept winning little portable TVs in the 1970s so each of us had a portable black and white TV in our rooms. I, the youngest, had the worst one, a square black box with a crazy wire-hanger antennae that only tuned into snow on every channel except one, PBS. It was like organic parental controls. So I only remember watching episodes of Lila’s Yoga on it. (And that show was oddly riveting.) Randy had a white portable and Andrew, the oldest, had a green portable which was the newest and best of the three.

After school in St. Louis, my brothers were always off playing sports and, as a latchkey kid, I had the house to myself. I’d fix a snack and head in to Andrew’s room to watch after-school TV. The big color TV in the den was too hard to operate. You needed pliers to turn the channels. Randy’s room was small and smelled like dirty socks. Andrew’s room not only had the best portable TV but a bookcase of books I often raided. I read all his Ralph Mouse books and he had some classics like Bedknobs and Broomsticks, He had the Louisa Mae Alcott books but those didn’t have any pictures inside and they looked old so I skipped those.

I also flipped through his somewhat large collection of Disney comic books. He would come home early some days, find me in there and then angrily kick me out. It must have been annoying as hell for him to come home and find his little sister in his private space. But I felt so bored in my own room until the day I finally inherited my grandmother’s old color TV and one of my brother’s old console stereos.

One summer after both Andrew and Randy were off at University of Illinois, I found a record stack they were sharing in Andrew’s room, records they had left behind that fall. And it’s a long story that involves anorexia, Prince-styled ruffled shirts, aerobics, mix tapes and a desperation to find songs with certain beats per minute, but I went through that stack of records one day. It was that desperation that overcome my normal aversion to their record stacks. We had a kind of rivalry or records, a gender contention between the testosterone, 70s and 80s rock albums of theirs and the 80s, queer-leaning pop records of mine. And although I had an appreciation for some of those 70s rock hits based on hearing them so many times down the hall, I was never looking to fine-tune that. It was a matter of principle.

But in any case, one day I did flip through and listened to some of them and I ended up pulling out three of Andrew’s records and “borrowing” them for a while.

For a long time I’ve tried to figure out what it was about those three records. I do this with Cher, too. I ask myself why I am a Cher fan? What was it that peaked my attention when I was four or five, combing through my parent’s record collection in Albuquerque and finding that first Sonny & Cher record? For Cher I have this whole “in utero” working-theory about being a baby inside a mother who had a deep smoker’s voice. I must find the contra altos comforting.

As I was assembling this blog story last week, I was also studying deep image poems in a book called Advanced Poetry by Kathryn Nuernberger and Maya Jewell Zeller. In the online notes for that chapter there was a link to an article by Federico García Lorca called “Theory and Play Of The Duende.” I read this same essay in grad school years ago and couldn’t make head nor tails of what this thing called duende was. And I remember that really irritated me at the time.  It seemed like hocus-pocus literary blather. Lorca’s essay never comes to a finite definition of what duende was or even a helpful rubric.

But I read that essay again last week, on the other side of whole life of joy, suffering and heartburn, and I think I can understand it better now. it’s a non-academic idea is the whole thing, and not a little bit mysterious. But the voice on those records had this rare quality of duende. I now think that’s what it might be. Duende made me pull those records out.

I recently reconnected with this same brother because I was in Boston for a weekend in early August. It had been 18 years since I had connected with my brother and probably over 20 since I have stayed with him and his stack of records. Immediately, I started flipping through his records there in his living room. Without permission, just like I was a tween. I told him what concert I had seen the night before and he said he used to have Babys albums (the first three) but they disappeared. He said he believed his University of Illinois frat house buddies had most likely taken them because they were popular albums at frat parties. I just “yeah, that’s too bad about that,” literally shocked because I’ve had kept these records since I was 15. Yes, I’ve had them 40 years!  And the thing is, I thought he knew it.

So when I got back home, I mailed those records back to him with an apology and the fifth Babys album as a modest interest payment. I mean, it’s not like I didn’t have a complete replacement set. My friend Christopher mailed me all the same records about seven years ago when he found them at a used record store.

Another thing I used to love to do in his bedroom was to read through his Mad Magazines magazines and books. I loved the Spy vs. Spy paperbacks. They were wordless and full of spy gadgets.

One day reading one of his Mad Magazines I came across a clip that featured Cher. It was, of course, a joke at her expense. But I was so thrilled to see a Cher mention in a Mad Magazine that I cut it out of his magazine and stuck it in my newly created Cher scrapbook.

Little sisters, am I right?

The clip was a joke about what an old Cher would look like at 50. They took a current 70s Cher photograph and played around with it, making her look gray and fat, which is interesting. Like she wouldn’t keep coloring over gray hair. Was that not a thing yet?  And they never assumed she would straighten her teeth. And in the predictive copy, they have her back with Sonny, which just goes to show that even the hipsters at Mad Magazine wanted to see Sonny and Cher get back together in their imaginations.

For context, Cher turned 50 in 1996. The It’s a Man’s World album had just come out. After 50, Cher would go on to record a worldwide #1 hit, spend years on the road with a record-breaking concert tour and continue on as an international entertainment icon. Not that we should be upset with Mad Magazine. Who could have predicted the future accurately except Cher herself?

Here is the pilfered clipping next to what Cher did look like at age 50s. At the top is what Cher looks like today at 78, still better than this gag photo.

By the way, I still haven’t told my brother about this other Cher thievery yet so…everybody, let’s keep this one quiet, okay?

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